A new hard working class in society caught in a trap.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I don't really get why the leftie does this to themselves.

Someone describes exactly who they are talking about....in this case WORKSHY chavs.

You, in your disgust, turn round and proclaim he said every benefit claimant.

Is it not, therefore, you with the issues in seperating benefit claimant and workshy chav?

Graham, here's the quote you are defending

So the hard working middle class wil pay thru nose for childcare and workshy chavs will breed like animals because their childcare/housing/etc. will be borne by taxpayers?

Yes a perfectly reasonable chap. Maybe you'd like to invite him to your next dinner party.

Got to go now, I've got a Socialist Workers Party meeting. After all I'm obviously a lefty for not defending such bitterness and bile.

Percy1983

Linton wrote: »

It may well be desirable, but the Great British Public clearly believes that having as big a house in as nice an area as one can possibly afford is more important.

As in all things political/economic what is desirable is irrelevent; what is important is how people actually behave and the logical consequences of that behaviour.

A interesting idea but with us both of us will need to work to get a decent house. The houses I could afford on my single salary are too small but even if I ignore that fact I wouldn't feel safe leaving my wife and child(ren) in such areas when I am at least an hour away from home.

do_it_today!

Linton wrote: »

It may well be desirable, but the Great British Public clearly believes that having as big a house in as nice an area as one can possibly afford is more important.

As in all things political/economic what is desirable is irrelevent; what is important is how people actually behave and the logical consequences of that behaviour.

Everyone has different circumstances and you would hope want what is best for their family.

We all have choice some more limited or greater than others, it is unfortunate that not all areas are nice and also no accident that more expensive houses / locations happen to be in 'nicer' areas.

We all have to find a balance for our own circumstance. If we could find an inexpensive home allowing one income living (doesnt have to be a house) in an ok area with reasonable schools and amenities we'd be there like a shot.

pqrdef

Percy1983 wrote: »

I wouldn't feel safe leaving my wife and child(ren) in such areas

These must be the areas where the people bumming around on benefits have to live. The ones who're better off than the struggling workers.

olly300

SingleSue wrote: »

No idea how old you are but it was normal when I was a child for the mum to be at home in my area....don't think any of my friend's mums worked.

I was born 1970.

This was also not a council house area, it was a very middle class area of owner occupiers.

Must be a class thing.

I've worked with and know people from around the country born in the 1960s and 1970s and a lot of them had mothers who worked.

Most of them had/have parents who were working class but a few were upper middle class plus some of them are children of immigrants.

Batchy

I think this is a good discussion.

My mom was a stay at home, and to be honest, I loved it having mom around.

My dad was the bread winner, we didnt have a lot, never really went on many holidays only butlins and rhyl but led a happy life.

Things were good.

The problem is ... now dad was the victim of a failed company got a bit of redundancy, but his pension was frozen and was worth a grand total of 5k today... shame he never transferred a few years ago. oh well.

Whats interesting is he has never ever claimed benefits for being out of work.

Fat lot of good being a hard working fella has got him, apart from working with asbestos dust for most of his life, and wot not, his health is fantastic, but he hasnt got an income to look forward to... He was a grafter at work, and never a slacker, he always did what he was paid to do with a lot of respect.

I just think we could have had everything we had on benefits in a like 4 like situation compared to now if he never worked and all the benefits of having him around all the time.

ILW

Percy1983 wrote: »

A interesting idea but with us both of us will need to work to get a decent house. The houses I could afford on my single salary are too small but even if I ignore that fact I wouldn't feel safe leaving my wife and child(ren) in such areas when I am at least an hour away from home.

What areas are these? eg most of London is very expensive and high crime. I think many do get a bit carried away with the idea that some areas are unsafe to live in.

ukcarper

I’m just sitting here waiting for a delivery so I logged on to entitledto and calculated income of someone not working and someone earning £15k a year. Both with two children 5 and 7 and rent of £750 a month. Non worker £433 a week including all benefits worker £508 pay + benefits.

StevieJ

pqrdef wrote: »

These must be the areas where the people bumming around on benefits have to live. The ones who're better off than the struggling workers.

Classic

do_it_today!

ILW wrote: »

What areas are these? eg most of London is very expensive and high crime. I think many do get a bit carried away with the idea that some areas are unsafe to live in.

I agree alot of London is expensive with high crime but agree with op sentiments of feeling unsafe I havent suffered much crime personally but I have lived in areas where it has been AROUND me + anti social behaviour, when I was younger I went to work came home and minded my own business, now I am more concerned with the environment I live in now I have kids.

As an example where I lived before the nearest PRIMARY school had a yellow police sign outside at one point because there was an incident of kids coming to the school with knives :eek:. I dont think its unreasonable for people who are able to do so to want to live in safe nuturing environment; it would be great if this was a given regardless of income level but it doesnt really seem to be the case (in London anyway!)