Is Council Tax open to "Invitation to treat"?

james2005

A soapbox ok.. Anyway what have you got to say about Council Tax, I take it you pay Council Tax quite willingly?

lincroft1710

james2005 wrote: »

A soapbox ok.. Anyway what have you got to say about Council Tax, I take it you pay Council Tax quite willingly?

I dislike paying any taxes especially fuel duty and VAT, more especially VAT. If I need work doing in my house which I can't do myself why should I give the government 20% of the bill?

Taxpaying is backed up by legislation. If a tax is determined (determined, not thought or believed) "unlawful" the law would be changed so that it would not be. If popular pressure persuades a government to scrap a particular form of taxation, it will only introduce another to replace it, viz. domestic rates then community charge (poll tax) then council tax; or increase other taxes to compensate.

redpete

james2005 wrote: »

Why dont you take the time out to contact this man or attend one of his court cases like the one in Birkenhead recently.

You quote that implying that it is a court case where he represented someone, presumably successfully. The truth is somewhat different, quotes from his own website...

There were chaotic scenes as around 600 activists from the British Constitution Group massed around Birkenhead county court chanting “freedom,” and “arrest that judge” as police with riot dogs attempted to hold them back.
Protesters stormed the courtroom and civilly arrested Judge Michael Peake before escorting him from the building. Peake was eventually wrestled away from protesters by police

So do you expect that the actions of a mob invading a court-room and attempting to 'arrest' a judge are meant to convince me of the legality and justice of his beliefs?

james2005

Yes I do, why not?


Why dont you open your eyes and your mind a little or do you think these people are doing it for a laugh?

Or you could just sit back like you probably will and continue to be one of the shepple.

Never question authority redpete!!!

redpete wrote: »

You quote that implying that it is a court case where he represented someone, presumably successfully. The truth is somewhat different, quotes from his own website...

So do you expect that the actions of a mob invading a court-room and attempting to 'arrest' a judge are meant to convince me of the legality and justice of his beliefs?

alternative-answer

james2005 wrote: »

This chap hasn't paid is council tax in over 18 months, he is very knowledgeable on the subect..

http://www.raymondstclair.com/

We need more people like him


[UOTE=CIS;40094318]If he doesn't pay then the council will obtain a liability order - no arguing about use of services etc will prevent this being issued.

Once the order is issued then , assuming he doesn't pay, the next course of action is likely to be a bailiff and then potential bankruptcy action. Ultimately committal to prison may be undertaken - if if gets to this stage the magistrates will look at willingness (or lack of) to pay.

The Council Tax (Administration & Enforcement) regulations 1992 are the better ones to read (from around reg 40 onwards) as they outline the enforcement options available and what happens if you dont pay.

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Courts don't issue liability orders, councils have been issuing them themselves. Councils hire courts for the day to make things look official.

james2005

Yes thats right. Its nice to know a few on here are open minded...



Councils hire courts for the day to make things look official.[/QUOTE]

CIS

Courts don't issue liability orders, councils have been issuing them themselves

A council cannot issue the Liability Order - the Liability Order is granted by the court after the issuing of the summons, no council issues the liability orders themselves. The Summons are often printed and posted by the council on behalf of the court but its the court who issue the summons, the counil merely print and post them for the court.

james2005

Anyway CIS, Has anyone within the catchment area of the local authority you work for refused to pay council tax on the basis of what we are talking about.

I am also surprised at the amount of Councils that have CCJ's against them.

Have you ever looked into the local authority you work for to see how many CCJ's if any have ever been issued?

You may be surprised..

CIS wrote: »

A council cannot issue the Liability Order - the Liability Order is granted by the court after the issuing of the summons, no council issues the liability orders themselves. The Summons are often printed and posted by the council on behalf of the court but its the court who issue the summons, the counil merely print and post them for the court.

redpete

james2005 wrote: »

Yes I do, why not?

Because it would be a chaotic society and one I don't want to live in where the largest and loudest mob got their way.

Why dont you open your eyes and your mind a little

Not agreeing with you does not mean I have my eyes and mind closed.

or do you think these people are doing it for a laugh?

I'm sure a good proportion of them are.

Or you could just sit back like you probably will and continue to be one of the shepple.

I'll pick the fights that I believe in, not the ones I'm told to.

Never question authority redpete!!!

Authority should always be questioned, as should the beliefs, motives and actions of those who challenge authority and want to impose their will on others.

alternative-answer

CIS wrote: »

A council cannot issue the Liability Order - the Liability Order is granted by the court after the issuing of the summons, no council issues the liability orders themselves. The Summons are often printed and posted by the council on behalf of the court but its the court who issue the summons, the counil merely print and post them for the court.

Any order by a court must have the court stamp and be sign by the presiding magistrate, they aren't, because courts don't issue them, councils do.