One in six employers won't hire young people

wotsthat

abaxas wrote: »

I cant tell the difference as there is no way of comparing them. All you are doing in comparing beleifs that they have a value.

This is still my point, you simply dont know.

That tells everyone all they need to know.

abaxas

wotsthat wrote: »

That tells everyone all they need to know.

So what if the beliefs change?

Suddenly you are screwed.

jackieb

I wish there were more apprenticeships available. My son left school at 16. He had fairly good GCSE results but he just hated school. He went to college and got a job in a fish factory. He applied for an apprenticeship. Took all the apptitude tests and was told he'd got in. Unfortunately it turned out they were over-subscribed and he was told he'd definitely get in the following year. He then got a job gravedigging until the following year. He got accepted. He was supplied with board and lodgings. Spent another 18 months at college and then started on the job training. It's been a long slog and his apprenticeship has finished, although he's still a trainee. He's now 26, has a good job and is already earning over £50k a year. If youngsters are willing to work and are given the opportunity there's often no need to go to university. My son has 2 HND's and his work is also looking at ways for him to do a degree through the OU.

I just wish there were more schemes like it.

abaxas

jackieb wrote: »

I wish there were more apprenticeships available. My son left school at 16. He had fairly good GCSE results but he just hated school. He went to college and got a job in a fish factory. He applied for an apprenticeship. Took all the apptitude tests and was told he'd got in. Unfortunately it turned out they were over-subscribed and he was told he'd definitely get in the following year. He then got a job gravedigging until the following year. He got accepted. He was supplied with board and lodgings. Spent another 18 months at college and then started on the job training. It's been a long slog and his apprenticeship has finished, although he's still a trainee. He's now 26, has a good job and is already earning over £50k a year. If youngsters are willing to work and are given the opportunity there's often no need to go to university. My son has 2 HND's and his work is also looking at ways for him to do a degree through the OU.

I just wish there were more schemes like it.

Agreed,

Education is not the same as having a qualification.

wotsthat

abaxas wrote: »

So what if the beliefs change?

Suddenly you are screwed.

If everyone starts believing that a degree in surfing is more valuable than one in maths, engineering, genetics or medicine then yes we will truly be screwed.

Can't help thinking that there's quite a low probability of this happening.

Maybe I should ask someone doing a degree in hotel hospitality about just how probable that is. It might be better to ask a person with a degree in statistics but what would they know?

abaxas

wotsthat wrote: »

If everyone starts believing that a degree in surfing is more valuable than one in maths, engineering, genetics or medicine then yes we will truly be screwed.

Can't help thinking that there's quite a low probability of this happening.

Maybe I should ask someone doing a degree in hotel hospitality about just how probable that is. It might be better to ask a person with a degree in statistics but what would they know?

My point is you dont know if the person actually attended or if the library burnt down, they are homosexual or they were good at rugby.

wotsthat

abaxas wrote: »

My point is you dont know if the person actually attended or if the library burnt down, they are homosexual or they were good at rugby.

Wise words indeed.

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abaxas wrote: »

Just a quickie to that.

The guy who was given a 2-1 due to 'coming out' was doing mechanical engineering.

2 of my flatmates did aeronautical engineering.. my course looked simple compared to theirs. I've got a lot of respect for people who got through engineering courses. I couldn't comment on the 'coming out' case without knowing about the circumstances

abaxas

ringo_24601 wrote: »

2 of my flatmates did aeronautical engineering.. my course looked simple compared to theirs. I've got a lot of respect for people who got through engineering courses. I couldn't comment on the 'coming out' case without knowing about the circumstances

Maybe all it needs is more cooperation between universities and employers? That way people can see the value of the degree?

Maybe every degree needs a year out in 'industry' and links to local employers?

olly300

abaxas wrote: »

Maybe every degree needs a year out in 'industry' and links to local employers?

Unfortunately this varies from University to University and department to department.

So if you are an undergraduate in any department at the University of Surrey they expect you and require you to do time in industry, there as if you are at the University of Birmingham doing Golf Studies you have to but not if you are doing an English degree. *

Lots of universities have links to local employers but again it's departmental. So while the engineering and more vocational degrees tend to have great links other departments don't.

*These are just off my head examples