Passed ESA medical assessment only valid for 6 months?

NASA_2

cit_k wrote: »

The government (and previous one) want it, but it's atos that put the recommendation forward in each case, and as so called medical professionals, they should in no way be influenced by what a government wants - their job is to recommend based on medical facts only, not government wishes.

However, they ignore medical facts, and go by what the government wants.

If they were professional, it would not matter what the government wanted, they would refuse to give a medically incorrect or medically unrealistic renewal date for assessment on purpose.

Medical professionals tend to want to see people more often rather than less often - unless they think the person is trying to con them.

I think ATOS and the government are probably doing what they think right.

In my experience those with longer term illnesses are being given a year or more before reassessment - that isnt unreasonable in my opinion.

NASA_2

petrolhead. wrote: »

I like that and it seems to be so true!!

If the first test doesn't give the government the right result keep on re-testing until it does!!

best of five - best of seven.........

I love the conspiracy theory here - it completely ignores the fact that the government (More accurately their servants) make the decision in every case.

frank_begbie

NASA wrote: »

I love the conspiracy theory here - it completely ignores the fact that the government (More accurately their servants) make the decision in every case.

And what do servants usually do?

NASA_2

frank_begbie wrote: »

And what do servants usually do?

Carry out their masters wishes.

Which was exactly my point.

Why do you ask?

frank_begbie

NASA wrote: »

Carry out their masters wishes.

Which was exactly my point.

Why do you ask?

Its actually happening, its no conspiracy.

Get a bunch of monkeys to do your bidding and everybody wins.

They play the game and they keep the contract.

bery_451

i remember a bbc documentary about atos failing people on purpose so it save the govt money.

there was even a case were a man had neurone disease and which effect his mobility hence he coudnt work and yet atos gave him 0 marks result for his assessment. this 0 mark means hes perfectly fit. even fit to play for england football team to their eyes.

then you have to go through all that hassle on appealing and the stress involved. better off claiming jsa i think for the claimants out there and sign on everyh 2 weeks by postal declarations for the severe disabled.

dmg24

bery_451 wrote: »

i remember a bbc documentary about atos failing people on purpose so it save the govt money.

there was even a case were a man had neurone disease and which effect his mobility hence he coudnt work and yet atos gave him 0 marks result for his assessment. this 0 mark means hes perfectly fit. even fit to play for england football team to their eyes.

then you have to go through all that hassle on appealing and the stress involved. better off claiming jsa i think for the claimants out there and sign on everyh 2 weeks by postal declarations for the severe disabled.

I would take anything you see from BBC journalists with a pinch of salt - I am guessing that was the same documentary where they couldn't even get the name of the benefit correct!

If you feel that you are fit for work then you should claim JSA. Anyone who is claiming JSA should not require a postal signing.

Two4Tuesday

bery_451 wrote: »

this 0 mark means hes perfectly fit. even fit to play for england football team to their eyes.

then you have to go through all that hassle on appealing and the stress involved. better off claiming jsa i think for the claimants out there and sign on everyh 2 weeks by postal declarations for the severe disabled.

Sorry, but this misinformation is not helpful. Scoring 0 points does not mean that a person is perfectly fit. If it did, there would be no need for a Disability Employment Advisor for JSA claimants.

Scoring 0 points just means the claimant didn't meet the criteria set out by the DWP for Limited Capability for Work. The criteria can be found in this PDF.

If someone scores less than 15 points and can demonstrate that they should have scored at least 15, then they are better off appealing than trying to claim JSA.

frank_begbie

You can see the way things are going.

Within about 10 years or less there will be no such a thing as disability.

In order to have enough money to keep paying the pensioners, (they have to look after this group as they have the biggest block of votes in the country) everyone else on benefit will have to suffer.

And with everyone having to work for their JSA that will take care of the rising unemployment figures.

casterweb

People with mental health issues are reassessed quite regularly, 6 months is not uncommon. A long term physical disability tends to be at longer intervals.

ATOS medical professionals (I won't call them doctors simply because most are not) can earn very large salaries if they work full time and keep assessment times as short as possible. Salaries of £200k p.a are certainly achievable if they put the hours in. So it is in their interests to recommend regular reassessments to the DWP when making conclusions in their reports. It a way of making sure there are enough people coming through the door. I can't say I blame them.

That way, ATOS (the company) are happy - it's a hugely profitable business contract that they do not want to lose, the medical professionals are happy because of the financial rewards, the DWP are happy because it creates work internally and keeps jobs safe, the government are happy because it appears that they are being tough on claimants, and most of the general working public are happy because they perceive a huge amount of wastage in the benefits system.

So everyones happy, with the exception of the people who have the misfortune to have to claim it. They tend to get the Sh***y end of the stick, but you know the old saying "you can't please all of the people.....