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£60 non-endorsable - black/white plates
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They can be checked at the roadside, yes, although if the offender has no documentation with him/her, then identity ideally needs to be verified. Also, as far as the driving licence goes, the DVLA database is renowned for being not that up to date. Insurance is a bit easier, as if the person has their insurance certificate available, the Officer can simply check the insurance out to make sure the person is actually insured, and didn't simply cancel their policy once they rfeceived a certificate. Even if the person doesn't have their certificate of insurance or MoT, if the Police Officer can verify the identity of the person concerned with their Driving Licence, all of the rest is easy to obtain without documents to hand.So can the licence and MOT so no real need to produce these days unless its for points.0 -
They can be checked at the roadside, yes, although if the offender has no documentation with him/her, then identity ideally needs to be verified. Also, as far as the driving licence goes, the DVLA database is renowned for being not that up to date. Insurance is a bit easier, as if the person has their insurance certificate available, the Officer can simply check the insurance out to make sure the person is actually insured, and didn't simply cancel their policy once they rfeceived a certificate. Even if the person doesn't have their certificate of insurance or MoT, if the Police Officer can verify the identity of the person concerned with their Driving Licence, all of the rest is easy to obtain without documents to hand.
Stigy- To put it simply, you haven't got a clue.
The DVLA is more up to date than the insurance data base. People only usually tend to pass their test once.
Ever heard of cancelling an insurance policy and keeping the certificate?
If they have no docs at the roadside and things don't stack up they go for a chat in the cells.0 -
No. A 'producer' isn't solely used when endorcable tickets are issued. Mainly with photocard licences, producing them helps verify the driver's details etc.Stigy- To put it simply, you haven't got a clue.
I know about people cancelling their insurance once they have received a certificate, and said so in my initial post.
Basically, if the driver has their documents to hand, there's no producer, if the don't, then the Officer will more often than not request they be produced a a Police Station. There's only so much the Police can do in these situations if any of the several organisations fail them, and seeing the docs for themselves is their main aim. For example, the DVLA might show the driver's licence as being revoked, whereby they simply failed to update their records. The Insurance Database might show as no insurance held, even though the driver is paying for their policy and has an insurance certificate. Yet if the 'customer' doesn't have their certificate of insurance with them, and the insurance database says all is on order with the policy, that should be enough...not the same as the other way round!0 -
Looks like the police offer crossed through the bit where it says to produce docs...0
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No. A 'producer' isn't solely used when endorcable tickets are issued. Mainly with photocard licences, producing them helps verify the driver's details etc.
You are starting sound silly now.
How?
Give the police false details, get a producer and don't produce.
What does that verify?
Identity needs to be verified at the time. Before you let them walk away never to be seen again.0 -
I see what you're saying, but there's only so much the Police Officer can do at the roadside. If somebody gives false details and are confident with it, there's nothing anybody can do. You were indicationg that you only need to produce documentation when points are involved. That's not correct, and the Police can request docs be presented if they so wish, if not available at the time.You are starting sound silly now.
How?
Give the police false details, get a producer and don't produce.
What does that verify?
Identity needs to be verified at the time. Before you let them walk away never to be seen again.0 -
I see what you're saying, but there's only so much the Police Officer can do at the roadside. If somebody gives false details and are confident with it, there's nothing anybody can do. You were indicationg that you only need to produce documentation when points are involved. That's not correct, and the Police can request docs be presented if they so wish, if not available at the time.
They need a reason for you to procdue and the reasons are offence, collision or check, wish isn't one of them sorry.0 -
Isn't "Check" ambiguous? and covers "wish" too?They need a reason for you to procdue and the reasons are offence, collision or check, wish isn't one of them sorry.
There's always a reason for a vehicle to be pulled over, and it's more often than not because of an "offence"...How the officer deals with that is his discretion, for example he could offer words of advice, even if the offence could incur an FPN. This alone would be reason to request documents at a police station. Gone are the days of just a routine stop check...If a car's pulled over and it's established that there isn't an offence (ANPR flagged it as no insurance, but a check says otherwise), I'm not sure what the state of play regarding producers is concerned.0 -
I thought the police normally gave a vehicle defect rectification notice which meant you had to go to an MOT test centre and get something stamped to say your plates were now legal.
Clearly the OP has been somewhat foolish in using illegal plates. However, sadly there are many reports of the Police fining people with perfectly legal pressed aluminium plates from Dubmeister - the Police are too thick to understand the relevant laws and just think pressed aluminium = illegal no matter what.0
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