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what sort of government uses water cannon on protestors?
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I think their is a fair chance most that riot are not there for the cause, the same is with most riots.
Protests are a organised fighters (yobs) dream.
I guess so. I've been really lucky. I've marched before, but only been with peaceful people and been fairly treated by the police who were obviously a bit bored.
Not so sure I'd march for anything again now. I find I'm too bored often to point out holes in people's arguments on here. I've typed and deleted a few posts on this thread because I just don't feel motivated enough to....perhaps I' getting more tolerant in old age?:D:D0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »They didn't charge YOU though did they.
You were part of a crowd they charged.
You were at a protest. You presumably knew this was a volitile situation to be in?
She was 15.
15 year olds do not think like adults of 25.
18 year olds do not think like adults of 22 even though they are all legally adults and entitled to do the same thing.I'm not cynical I'm realistic
(If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)0 -
She was 15.
15 year olds do not think like adults of 25.
18 year olds do not think like adults of 22 even though they are all legally adults and entitled to do the same thing.
And adults of 22 often grow up too. Not always though. Soe are lucky to reach the mental age of fifteen.
The other thing of course is, an adult might have interpreted the situation on the scene differently from a fifteen year old.
Even if it were possible to identify a fifteen year who old been marching with others then there would be outcry about splitting up groups and making them vulnerable in that way. especially pre mobile phones.
Its a bit like the argument of pre age of consent sex: either you are old enough to do it right and prevent unwanted consequences, or you are not and shouldn't do it!0 -
She was 15.
15 year olds do not think like adults of 25.
18 year olds do not think like adults of 22 even though they are all legally adults and entitled to do the same thing.
I'm not sure how being 15 makes a difference.
She was still part of a crowd.
Or are we expecting the police to go round asking for ID before they charge a crowd?
At 15, you shouldn't even really be in such situations.0 -
I'm confused. The Daily Mirror says that 'Theresa May gives police green light to use water cannon against protesters' but the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/13/theresa-may-water-cannon-student-protests) says that 'Theresa May rules out use of water cannon at student protests'.
Don't tell me one of our newspapers is lying to us again.0 -
and what happens if a perfectly innocent protestor is next to someone who chooses to throw a brick? do they deserve to get hosed to the ground? maybe if police officers spot a pick pocket on oxford street they should open the water cannon on the high street?
You're right - they should have sniper rifles deployed throughout London to make sure they only pick off the ones who do the damage.0 -
Lets consider the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:being educated is a fundamental right or opportunity.
"Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit."
Observe the caveat about free being at least in the elementary and fundamental stages part of that.
In this country with this proposed plan loans will be made available to those who meet acceptance standards, so that university undergraduate education is equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
There are non-financial reasons and even some financial reasons why those from some backgrounds may still have difficulty, but providing large loans is certainly a large measure of support for equality of opportunity in university education.
It's not something that only the financially better off people can afford to do. The proposals are less generous than what they replace, though.it's not something that only the financially better off people can afford to do0
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