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Nice people thread part 3- Nice as pie

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  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,466 Forumite
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    Roughly 650 sq feet? Doesn't sound too small, really. Not huge, obviously, but not bad.

    Our present flat is just under 1,000 sq feet - with OH, Isaac and me living here. Our new place, still knee-deep in builders, is 1,400 sq feet.

    OTOH, my parents' house which has just gone on sale is 4,500 sq feet, according to the floor plan!

    Yup about 650 sq ft. It's pretty compact, previous couple if places have been about 850 although I suppose most of the extra was probably landing. Being a new build it's just a square with all the rooms interconnected. I'd never buy anything this small, not unless it had a garden.

    Maybe its just the layout that irks me rather than the size. Main problem really is that there aren't enough rooms and what space there is has all been given over to the "contemporary living area" so you cant just shut the kitchen door when everything's on and there's nowhere to hang the washing.
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,466 Forumite
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    LydiaJ wrote: »
    Well, I have to teach it, so I ought to understand it...

    I wasn't talking about mpg but mph. Miles per hour is already telling you something that happens "per length of time" so you can't have a speed that's mph per day - it doesn't mean anything. W per hour and kW per day are the same kind of mistake. Does that help at all? I could explain this so much better in an interactive way if I had you in front of me, or even on a phone. It's much harder typing it. :o

    Wasn't it kWh per day though? Makes sense to me. Not that I understand it, but my electricity bill says I use a billion kWh per month. kWh being the chargeable unit of electricity equal to one kilowatt supplied for an hour?
  • STing
    STing Posts: 96 Forumite
    Lydia's spot on. MPH per day measures acceleration.
    Watts per hour represents a rate of change in watt usage.
    Both measures aren't generally used, for intents and purposes they're meaningless.
  • LydiaJ
    LydiaJ Posts: 8,083 Forumite
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    edited 8 June 2011 at 11:50PM
    Wasn't it kWh per day though? Makes sense to me. Not that I understand it, but my electricity bill says I use a billion kWh per month. kWh being the chargeable unit of electricity equal to one kilowatt supplied for an hour?

    kWh per day is absolutely fine. A kWh is a unit of energy - how much you get if a 1kW thing runs for 1hr just as you supposed - so kWh per day makes sense. However, W and kW are units of power - the rate at which energy is used or generated.

    But those graphs from the turbine website were labelled in watts per hour and kW per day, and that's nonsense. (You need to look back at GDB's actual post to see the graphs. He got it right himself in what he wrote, but pasted in graphs that had it wrong, and to save space I eliminated the huge graphs when I quoted his post.)

    The original graphs are here: http://www.secretenergyturbine.com/performance-data.php

    kW per day probably really means kWh per day, but what watts per hour means is anyone's guess. Possibly just watts, but it's hard to tell.

    As I said, if it was some member of the public, I wouldn't bat an eyelid and I wouldn't bother explaining about it unless there was some reason to do so. But someone who thinks he knows enough about electricity to design and sell turbines etc - it would be like NDG saying "civil court" when she should have said "crown court" or viva not knowing the difference between returning a library book and renewing it.
    Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
    Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
    Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
    :)
  • PasturesNew
    PasturesNew Posts: 70,698 Forumite
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    Wasn't it kWh per day though? Makes sense to me. Not that I understand it, but my electricity bill says I use a billion kWh per month. kWh being the chargeable unit of electricity equal to one kilowatt supplied for an hour?
    It made sense to me too.

    I saw it as the total number of kilowatts it'd create in a day, which you could then mentally compare with your meter reading/bill to see how much you used.

    ;0

    We're obviously who he's writing for.
  • PasturesNew
    PasturesNew Posts: 70,698 Forumite
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    To be honest.... I never actually looked at/read the website or the graphs. No need, I'm not buying one :)
  • LydiaJ
    LydiaJ Posts: 8,083 Forumite
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    STing wrote: »
    Lydia's spot on. MPH per day measures acceleration.
    Watts per hour represents a rate of change in watt usage.
    Both measures aren't generally used, for intents and purposes they're meaningless.
    STing wrote: »
    In your example, is a billion kWh per month the same as a billion kW per month?

    Strictly speaking, the energy company's used the wrong base units.

    Thanks STing. I think chewmylegoff was mainly right - my post only quoted GDB's own typing, which was fine, so chewmylegoff couldn't see what the problem was. So chewmylegoff thought I was trying to say that kWh was wrong (which I wasn't) and was therefore puzzled as to why I thought so (even though I actually didn't).

    This is all getting very convoluted. :D
    Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
    Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
    Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
    :)
  • LydiaJ
    LydiaJ Posts: 8,083 Forumite
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    It made sense to me too.

    I saw it as the total number of kilowatts it'd create in a day, which you could then mentally compare with your meter reading/bill to see how much you used.

    ;0

    We're obviously who he's writing for.

    No. Your energy bill is not in kilowatts. It's in kilowatt-hours. They are as different from each other as miles are different from miles-per-hour. They measure different things.

    If you looked on a car selling website and saw it was quoting a car's top speed as 70 miles, or its range with a full tank as 300 miles per hour, you'd realise that the person behind the website didn't know diddly-squat about cars. That's how this turbine website makes me feel.
    Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
    Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
    Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
    :)
  • STing
    STing Posts: 96 Forumite
    LydiaJ wrote: »
    Thanks STing. I think chewmylegoff was mainly right - my post only quoted GDB's own typing, which was fine, so chewmylegoff couldn't see what the problem was. So chewmylegoff thought I was trying to say that kWh was wrong (which I wasn't) and was therefore puzzled as to why I thought so (even though I actually didn't).

    This is all getting very convoluted. :D

    Sure is. I'm completely confused. I hadn't seen chewmylegoff's post when I originally wrote a reply, and hadn't read GDB post either. I'm sure both posts are brilliant.

    I think I should go home. Oh wait, I'm already there.
  • LydiaJ
    LydiaJ Posts: 8,083 Forumite
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    STing wrote: »
    Sure is. I'm completely confused. I hadn't seen chewmylegoff's post when I originally wrote a reply, and hadn't read GDB post either. I'm sure both posts are brilliant.

    I think I should go home. Oh wait, I'm already there.

    :rotfl:
    :beer:
    Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
    Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
    Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
    :)
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