car crash update and advice needed please!!

bikingbarney

yep spoke to a nice lady . she is going to look into it for me.

Wig

backfoot wrote: »

It's baffling to think that the road marking for the middle lane (about 50 yards) before the traffic lights has changed from a straight ahead arrow with a left arrow to a straight ahead arrow with a right arrow.

I think most of you are arguing that as a result nothing about the middle lane intentions changed.:huh:

I am seriously worried about you

Either that or you are just winding us up.

A roundabout by definition can only ever have arrows of 2 directions Because on a roundabout you can only go in two directions
that of leaving the roundabout to an exit or
that of continuing around the roundabout.

People generally do not leave a roundabout by the third direction, that of through the centre of the roundabout and mow the grass or prune some shrubbery, lop a few trees -see my earlier picture for an illustration of what people do not generally do.

So we can agree that if there are arrows on a rdabt they will be two different directions or a combination of those two for the central lane(s).

I'm no expert on rdabt design but we have had input from an expert on this thread. As I see it there are two types of rdabt design in respect of the "pairs of arrows used" Set out below as design 1 and design 2. I don't know if design 1 is even allowed anymore, if it is being phased out or if it is just not allowed on motorway rdabts.

Design 1
Uses left turn arrows and straight ahead arrows and the combination of the two for the central lane(s)
Left turn arrows to indicate you are in the lane to leave at the next exit
Straight ahead to indicate you are in the lane for continuing around the rdabt
The combination of the two, in the central lane(s) to indicate you and you alone have the choice to take either the next exit or continue round.

Design 2
Uses straight ahead arrows and right turn arrows and the combination of the two for the central lane(s)
Straight ahead to indicate you are in the lane to leave at the next exit
Right turn arrows to indicate you are in the lane for continuing around the rdabt
The combination of the two, in the central lane(s) to indicate you and you alone have the choice to take either the next exit or continue round.

All the respective arrows (i.e. those in lane A, B & C etc) still mean the same thing from one design to the other, the only difference is which "pairs of arrows" are being used. It is also my understanding that the use of such arrowed lanes only occurs on parts of the rdabt just after an exit, this is very important because it means any driver in Lane A has already passed an exit and therefore should be coming off at the next exit, and if he isn't intending to then he is in the wrong lane, and should excercise great caution if he continues around, As per the judges ruling in the High Court case linked to earlier.

I don't know every roundabout design, but

• If the roundabout has, in addition to the arrows, traffic lights and lane dividers after the traffic light stop line. A driver would IMHO be 100% negligent if he crossed over the lane divider and collided with another car in the other lane. Simple as.
• If there are arrows but no lane dividers after the traffic light stop line, a driver in lane B should excercise more caution when going for the exit, however personally I would still put 80% of the blame on the driver in lane A in the event of a collision - due to the presence of the arrows at the traffic lights.
• If there are lanes -but no arrows in those lanes- before the lights and no lane dividers after the traffic light stop line. I would put it at 50:50 providing the driver in lane A has already passed one exit and there are two lanes on the exit.
• If there are no lanes and no lights but the rdabt is big enough for two or more cars abreast and there are two lanes on the relevant exit. I would put it at 50:50 if the driver in 'lane A' has already passed an exit.

I could go on but I think thats enough examples

almillar

There's a straight on arrow. There are lines leading the driver round to stay in the left lane, and go onto the dual carriageway. Who doubts that a straight on arrow means continue in this lane, and who doubts that 'this lane' in question carries on along the road, NOT the roundabout?
Seriously?! Looks like there's a lot of thought going into trying to defend the actions of the person who was clearly at fault. If someone drove into the side of you at this roundabout what would you think?!

JimmyTheWig

Ok, those of us (myself included) who have been confused by these arrows on the roundabout haven't been paying attention when driving!
The last few times I've been out in the car I've made a point of looking at arrows on the road _on_ a roundabout.

A straight-ahead arrow means come off the roundabout at the next exit. A right arrow means carry on around the roundabout.
No question.
Note that these arrows are _between_ the slip roads to a single exit. I.e. you have driven past the exit to a road but not yet come to the place where the traffic from that road joins the roundabout.
Roundabouts that are too small to have arrows between slip roads (e.g. where the road joins directly to the roundabout) don't tend to have any arrows.

It makes total sense when you are on a roundabout. It is not confusing. It's just not how I had remembered things!

Cuthberte

Hello,
As the person said before that The insurers role is to cover the costs awarded in any court case (plus the costs involved of going to court).But the court is being asked to decide who is liable, and that is down to deciding on the argument between the drivers....I hope it will be enough for you..

bikingbarney

Just as a bit of an update on this,...

i have contacted my solicitor again to find out what is happening with this.

she told me that she is stil waiting for the other partys solicitor to get hold of him as he has been away on business in america.

she also told me that they are claiming the road markings have changed since the accident and the markings i ve sent her as pictures are incorrect.

I feel they are just dragging their heals now as ive been up the roundabout in question just last week and the road markings are exactly the same??


this has been going on now for nearly 14 months.

is there a way of speeding things up at all as im getting a bit fed up with it now.

regards

steve

Wig

Well they can't argue the markings have changed because the third party is in the pictures!
Thanks for update, keep us posted with the result.
I hope you are counter suing for your loss of excess and probable premium hikes

Speed things up:
Don't know.

Wig

Thread is now concluded here
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3163382