car crash update and advice needed please!!

JimmyTheWig

Quentin wrote: »

Not really the point.

A straight arrow certainly doesn't mean you must turn left.

So I guess you are saying the roundabout was designed that you could come off the exit or carry on round the roundabout from the left hand lane.

I would argue that an arrow with a single head means you must go in a single direction. And that direction is what the designer decided was straight on.
In this instance you can clearly come off the roundabout from the left hand lane. That means, to me, that in this instance the designer believes that straight on means coming off the roundabout.

backfoot

Strider590 wrote: »

Question........

Does the new straight ahead arrow mean that your not allowed to turn left? Of course it doesn't....

Your correct of course it doesn't. Why do we keep saying the same thing? I will repeat for the umpteenth time, you can leave to the A38N using the left hand lane. I don't think anyone is disputing that.

The issue raised by the other driver, in his statement, is that he feels that the left hand perimeter lane also allows you to stay in that lane and travel round the roundabout .When you look at the second view I have posted, the arrows just after the A38N junction does encourage that to some extent.

Also, the view shows that from the middle lane you do have enter another lane on your inside left before you reach the A38N. I believe this is really the continuation of M5 exit lane as it merges into the roundabout.It also became the path of the other driver in this accident.

Because three routes merge at one point, I think the whole issue is very complex.

Regarding the google maps,it is really worth playing around with the various views. Some do show up to date layouts, but the majority don't.You can spin the views around. Have a good play.

All I am trying to do is provide information to Bikingbarmy so that the issues of negligence are fully considered and debated. If he doesn't want input he can say so and close the thread. However, I still hope he is finding the input useful.:)

backfoot

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

So I guess you are saying the roundabout was designed that you could come off the exit or carry on round the roundabout from the left hand lane.

I would argue that an arrow with a single head means you must go in a single direction. And that direction is what the designer decided was straight on.
In this instance you can clearly come off the roundabout from the left hand lane. That means, to me, that in this instance the designer believes that straight on means coming off the roundabout.

I absolutely agree with this. I also believe the designer meant for the left hand lane to be exit only onto the A38N. Unfortunately, the design intention and practice become confused by the shape of the roundabout and the subsequent lane joining from the M5 and the arrows just after the Junction.

What do you believe was the designer's intention was for the middle lane?

bikingbarney

at the end of the day though his lane is clearly marked round to continue onto the a38n , he has lane dividers from his point at the lights all the way round to the exit he should of took, as shown in this picture.........

and also this one...........



surely by crossing out of this lane he has broke the highway code.

would nt it be the same as driving down a dual carriage way and crossing the land dividers without looking and then hitting another car??

you can also see from this picture below thate the 4 lanes you get after the exit in question, the 2 straight on arrows form the road markings you are presented with as you come off the motorway.



cheers

steve

eviebee

Just read this (skipped a few posts though i must admit!) and thought i would throw my two pence worth in! I have used this roundabout twice a day for the past four years - before and after the road markings changed. The markings guide you into the lane you should be in.

The lane the OP was in can either be used to take the exit he took, or carry on to the next exit. If the other driver was in the left hand lane he must take the first exit unless the road was clear for him to cut across. As there was an accident, the road was obviously not clear.

Becasue the traffic from the M5 slip road is stopped by traffic lights there are no other cars merging onto the roundabout. It is difficult to tell from the photos who is right, but i know from experience the OP definitely is.

Regarding the markings not pointing left - the OP is already on the roundabout and at the position he and the other driver are in there are only two options - straight on (the exit) or right. The markings clearly state the other driver should have gone straight on (taking the exit). The left turn would have been the M5 - both the OP and other driver had already passed this, which is why there is no left arrow.

JimmyTheWig

backfoot wrote: »

What do you believe was the designer's intention was for the middle lane?

Me? I believe that the intention was for the middle lane traffic to do what the designer calls "straight ahead" - come off the roundabout - or what the designer sees as "going right" - stay on the roundabout.

JimmyTheWig

Ahhh. I now understand where the M5 problem comes into it.
The cars were between the M5 entry slip and the M5 exit slip. Thanks, EVB.

Jesus, this roundabout gets worse the more I look at it!

Quentin

bikingbarney wrote: »

i know my solicitor has submitted my first defence then as she sent a copy to me. it seems his side have gone quiet since this was submitted.

Did you find out why your solicitor didn't make a counterclaim on your behalf against the third party when you sent in your defence? What happened about your excess when you had your car repaired?

bikingbarney

quentin, what can they claim back for me? my car has been repaired and paid for by them , at the moment all i am down is 2 years no claim bonus and my excess. iIhavent had my excess back yet?

how come his insurance havnet paid for his car to be repaired?

Quentin

bikingbarney wrote: »

quentin, what can they claim back for me? my car has been repaired and paid for by them , at the moment all i am down is 2 years no claim bonus and my excess. iIhavent had my excess back yet?

how come his insurance havnet paid for his car to be repaired?

Something not quite right here. If your car was repaired and paid for by the third party, then you shouldn't have paid your excess.

And if the third party insurer paid this out, then your own insurer shouldn't have deducted any NCD.

So a counterclaim should have at least been for your excess.

He may not have insurance against damage to his own vehicle, which is why he is claiming these costs off you.