Why should public sector be better off?

Liquorice_Twirls

"Freeloading" - does that apply to her Gran who doesn't seem to have put a penny piece away for her retirement but will be entitled to pension credit partly paid for by the "freeloading" public servants tax?

vyle

WhiteHorse wrote: »

When organisations like Atos Origin, the DWP (or the Civil Service in general), or the NHS come in for criticism, the response is immediate and fierce.

You can criticise commercial organisations like BP, the railway companies, or ICI, and yet you don't get that sort of vitriolic response from employees.

Which may tell you something.

You're not attacking the organisations though, you're attacking the individuals. You're attacking teachers, police, nurses, and administrators who are just trying to make a living in !!!! conditions, because you assume that everybody gets the same pension and perks as high profile politicians.

As for having no personal responsibility, when sorting out taxes, if I made a mistake, I could easily end up causing somebody huge hardship and more than once, I gave people thousands of pounds back in tax that they didn't know they were due because they or their employers didn't fill their paperwork in properly.

If watchdog is to be believed, if I made any errors, people could die from the stress I'd cause them.

Older_but_not_wiser_2

karens wrote: »

'Devoted their lives to public service'...what a laugh! You get perks and pensions that the average person working in a real job in the private sector can only dream of.
The figures for size of pension pot versus annual income are correct (don't be so patronizing Gregg1). You can double check them elsewhere. Poor health/smoking may increase your annuity, but not hugely.
The fact is that public servants do not contribute anything like a fair amount to produce their handsome pension pots. They like to think they do. But do the maths - £100,000 over 30 years. You explain it then!!
Consider this
"Over the past five years, the average annual pension for a retiring officer who has completed his full 35 years' service has jumped from £12,500 to £14,250. Before the Pension Act of 2006, full service was defined as 30 years' service. The lump sum paid on retirement has risen from £80,000 to more than £88,000." (The Observer)
"Police officers now retire on average at 51"
"Many retiring police officers then get another job, but will draw their index-linked pensions for more years than they've served in the police." (The Observer)
Retire early, decent pension, lump sums, hobby job in middle age etc etc.
Freeloading public servants are draining the rest of us.

When, or if (if I live long enough) I retire at 60, I will have completed 33 years of public service (prison service). That will give me a pension of around £12,000 p.a and a lump sum on retirement od around £33,000. Could you direct me to the Government office that will give me a lump sum of £88,000, because I could really use it.

Civil servants at my level are not given any bonuses, unlike many of the private sector, who get a Christmas bonus, or a 13th Cheque every year. We are generally not allowed to have second jobs to boost our income.

Whilst I agree that top civil servants (including MPs) get paid too much and have gold plated pensions, the VAST majority of civil servants fall into the same category as me. I.E. hard workers who deserve what they get for the many years of work (or service) they have provided.

The example you have provided for the police beggars belief - I have friends in the police force, and you would not believe the s**t they put up with on a day to day basis. The police deserve every penny they get.

tony6403

karens wrote: »

That is pretty much what we are going to do, qetu1357.
I am just stunned by what has been written by the public 'servants' on this thread (ha! what a stupid thing to call you - self-serving more like it). Do you really know how much you would have to save to get any sort of pension? £100,000 buys an annual income of around £5000 - £100 per week (who said they had ONLY got £50 per week pension? Still an ample pot of £50,000 to give you THAT). A public servant on a pension of £25000 (not unheard of) would have to have a pension pot of half a million pounds! You really believe that you poor, hard-done-to public servants have made proper contributions from your incomes to produce a pension pot like that AND live as well??? It's a sick joke. You are deluding yourselves. Get real.
The only public sector workers who deserve good, gold-plated pensions are our armed forces.
Ask anyone with a proper job whether they can manage pension contributions and pay mortgages etc. - lorry drivers, shop assistants, chefs, car body repair lads etc.
Unless you can drum up a final pot of more than £5000, forget it. Annuity companies don't want to know.

So you think that street cleaners , typists , caretakers , librarians ( many of whom are educated to degree standard ) , grounds maintenance staff , swimming pool attendants , crematorium workers, environmental health operatives ( who literally have to deal with sh*t ) , and so many others will get a £25k pension ??
All of these will never see a £25k salary - very far from it.
If the public sector is so bloody brilliant why don't you get yourself a job emptying the bins?

taker920

Don't feed the Troll!!

Coopdivi

Shouldn't this thread be in Discussion Time?

gregg1

karens wrote: »

"The average public sector worker is getting from the taxpayer the equivalent of over £250,000 for their retirement." Dr Ros Altmann (pensions expert) on Channel 4

"It doesn't sound a lot to have a £7,800 average pension, but the reality is this is worth over £250,000. The average public sector worker, when they retire, is getting from the taxpayer, the equivalent of over £250,000 for their retirement.

Angry, Gregg1? Why? Because it shows what an advantage you public service people have? The Observer and Channel 4 - reliable enough resources?

You're so full of inaccurate BS that you are obviously a troll. Do us a favour and go troll somewhere else.

gregg1

Coopdivi wrote: »

Shouldn't this thread be in Discussion Time?

No - it should be in the sewers!

Gavin83

karens wrote: »

That is pretty much what we are going to do, qetu1357.
I am just stunned by what has been written by the public 'servants' on this thread (ha! what a stupid thing to call you - self-serving more like it). Do you really know how much you would have to save to get any sort of pension? £100,000 buys an annual income of around £5000 - £100 per week (who said they had ONLY got £50 per week pension? Still an ample pot of £50,000 to give you THAT). A public servant on a pension of £25000 (not unheard of) would have to have a pension pot of half a million pounds! You really believe that you poor, hard-done-to public servants have made proper contributions from your incomes to produce a pension pot like that AND live as well??? It's a sick joke. You are deluding yourselves. Get real.
The only public sector workers who deserve good, gold-plated pensions are our armed forces.
Ask anyone with a proper job whether they can manage pension contributions and pay mortgages etc. - lorry drivers, shop assistants, chefs, car body repair lads etc.
Unless you can drum up a final pot of more than £5000, forget it. Annuity companies don't want to know.

Maybe at one point but Im a fairly young employee and don't get anywhere near this pension offer. In fact it's so poor I don't even bother with a pension. My girlfriend who works in the private sector gets exactly the same pension offer as myself.

In fact having looked into it the advantages to working in the private sector far outweigh working in the public sector so Im actually looking to move at the moment.

I really don't see how you can define a list of 'proper jobs' but don't consider doctors, nurses, fireman, police and social workers to be proper jobs.

Im thinking your on the wind up anyway as no ones views can be this nieve.

musicmaker29

WhiteHorse wrote: »

When organisations like Atos Origin, the DWP (or the Civil Service in general), or the NHS come in for criticism, the response is immediate and fierce.

You can criticise commercial organisations like BP, the railway companies, or ICI, and yet you don't get that sort of vitriolic response from employees.

Which may tell you something.

White Horse - whilst I disagree with your points of view in this thread, I really like your signature, its pretty damn accurate!