Why should public sector be better off?

Deep_In_Debt

karens wrote: »

Are there only public servants on these forums? I thought there were 20-25 million private sector employees! Aren't you bothered that you are financing retirement for these free loaders?

I'm private sector. I have friends that work in the public sector and my pension is better than theirs, so no I'm not financing them.

WhiteHorse

clemmatis wrote: »

And your "proper job" is just insulting to public sector workers.

Granted, it may be too sweeping a statement. There are public sector workers who do a good job. Some of whom can be considered essential.

We actually need a Civil Service (heresy!). What we do not need is the bloated monster that the public sector has become.

Cries about 'job losses' are nonsensical because the brutal truth is that many public sector 'workers' are filling jobs that never existed in the first place. Thus, what should be happening is nothing more than a trimming down to fighting weight.

In reality of course, it will probably be different, essential workers getting the chop, whilst the useless (the ones whose skills at office politics got them into the position to make those decisions), will continue to hoover up scant resources.

WhiteHorse

Deep_In_Debt wrote: »

I'm private sector. I have friends that work in the public sector and my pension is better than theirs, so no I'm not financing them.

If your salary is that much higher, and that's how you choose to deploy your income, then it will be.

But as to whether you are financing them, then yes, of course you are. They are paid from the public purse - which is ultimately your purse.

clemmatis

karens wrote: »

"The average public sector worker is getting from the taxpayer the equivalent of over £250,000 for their retirement." Dr Ros Altmann (pensions expert) on Channel 4

"It doesn't sound a lot to have a £7,800 average pension, but the reality is this is worth over £250,000. The average public sector worker, when they retire, is getting from the taxpayer, the equivalent of over £250,000 for their retirement.

Angry, Gregg1? Why? Because it shows what an advantage you public service people have? The Observer and Channel 4 - reliable enough resources?

Ros Altmann made her name fighting for private sector workers whose pension fund had failed (it was in the same position as some public sector funds today). Good for her. Next, she got help for the private pensioners harmed by Equitable Life. Again, good for her. She got the taxpayer to pick up the tab for them. Good?

Her point about public sector pensions is that they can no longer be afforded. She's commenting on a government report that says that and recommends change. They are being changed.

dmg24

WhiteHorse wrote: »

Yes, it's always interesting to shake the tree and to see what falls out. All the nasty little nobodies whose perceived status is dependent upon their employment, and who consequently consider any attack upon the organisation to be an attack on themselves.

Quite hypocritical for someone who recently attacked a DWP employee who had done absolutely wrong!

casper_g

I work in the private sector. It's great, we all get lovely company cars, high salaries and massive bonuses that go up in proportion to how much time we spend schmoozing with the boss on the golf course in work time. I know this because I read it in the left-wing press. It must be true, right? Well, about as true as the public sector myths bandied about by the right-wing media anyway.

sukysue

Well presumably she has been drawing her paltry £97.65 for the last 5 years as she was eligible for oap from 60? If she has just retired then the £97.65 would have been extra income for 5 years and by my reckoning she would have 30 grand under her belt by now. She is better off than a lot of folk I have to wait till I am 67 for mine and I have paid in since I left school at 16. Makes me sick when I will have paid in for 51 years and some ppl have not put a penny piece in.

WhiteHorse

dmg24 wrote: »

Quite hypocritical for someone who recently attacked a DWP employee who had done absolutely wrong!

Not really. See other comments about nobodies whose jobs are their whole life.

Rolandtheroadie

hoogervaaner wrote: »

Sadly I do not, nor does anyone I work with, this includes my boss, her boss, her bosses boss, her bosses bosses boss or indeed her bosses bosses bosses boss..... I could go on but as we have yet to reach the £50k mark it could take some time and we would need to get to director level of which there are only a few in the entire organisation of several thousand staff!!!!!

Theres the problem. Too many bosses.

Rolandtheroadie

Deep_In_Debt wrote: »

I'm private sector. I have friends that work in the public sector and my pension is better than theirs, so no I'm not financing them.

So who pays the shortfall then? Where does that extra come from?
My pensions shortfall is paid by increased contributions from myself and my employer.