Boycott JAPAN, ICELAND, NORWAY

LizEstelle

MORPH3US wrote:

Thanks gerretl but I have given up on the thread.

I'm surprised it hasn't been locked from all the petty sniping.

Cheers anyway

M

I have genuinely tried my best to stay aloof! Please credit me with that.

It's just that the kindergartens seem to be closing ever later these days...

gerretl

LizEstelle wrote:

At last, a posting with some genuine origin to it.

May I ask why you think it is sanctimonious to want to stop the killing of whales for personal profit?

Naturally I agree with you that there are other creatures being mistreated and killed by people. I don't wish in any way to prevent you from protesting about that if you want.

It is a valid point - BUT, it is the same as saying that I don't have your permission to protest against any one thing because there are other bad things going on. I have to protest against absolutely every bad thing and can't make any personal choices... seems to be your message.

Am I misreading you? If not, then I'm afraid that I see no reason to change my opinion. Given the practicalities: that I can't be everywhere at once and time is not unlimited at the personal level, I reserve my right to take make my own protest on the issue of my choice.

I am not argueing that being against whaling is sanctimonious. My original point was that feeling better about oneself because one jumps on the latest enviromental bandwagon misses the point that much worse processes take place in food production.
LizEstelle, I genuinely admire you for wanting to make a difference. I challenge you to show the commitment shown by the McDOnalds two, who risked everything (money, family, jobs) to stand by their assertion that McDonalds used dubious techniques in their business. There is a film about it, and I strongly urge you to watch it to see what a truly commited environmentalist will do for their belief.

gerretl

LizEstelle wrote:

I have genuinely tried my best to stay aloof! Please credit me with that.

It's just that the kindergartens seem to be closing ever later these days...

LizEstelle
Patronising comments like this do nothing for either the debate or winning people to your side.

LizEstelle

CARDEW, I do not approve in ANY way of ANYONE whaling. Let me be crystal clear on that.

Whales are sentient creatures and do not deserve to be hunted to exhaustion and then meet with a grisly death. The fact that something has been 'traditional' is NOT a raison d'etre. If it were, we'd still have slavery and sending children down coal mines.

I apologise for missing your contribution earlier. The boredom of repeatedly having to deal with misbehaving adolescents must have got to me.

Now that you have enlightened me, I shall do some googling to see if
there is anything to what you say and, if necessary, then I shall add these countries to the list, yes.

Sadly, since I'm not aware of buying much which originates from these states, it won't really affect my shopping habits, but there you go.

Either you take a moral stance or you don't. Bleating about how hard it is to do, how hard it is to 'target' accurately, how one kind of death is longer than another, how this or that international organisation has made some lordly pronouncement according to ITS lights... well, you can be impressed by all of that if you really insist.

I still won't be buying that Toyota...

LizEstelle

gerretl wrote:

LizEstelle
Patronising comments like this do nothing for either the debate or winning people to your side.

Check back along the thread and see what I've had to endure. I think a teensy spoonful of 'patronising' was the least I owed myself!

gerretl

LizEsttelle. I haven't looked at the entire thread, but if you want to make your point effectively, you need to keep above the personal barbs

LizEstelle

gerretl wrote:

LizEsttelle. I haven't looked at the entire thread, but if you want to make your point effectively, you need to keep above the personal barbs

Thank you for the lecture. YOU run a thread which becomes hijacked for hours at an end by infantile, cat-calling types and see whether you can keep your cool.

If you have any other comments to make, I'd ask you to confine them to the topic, as I've been TRYING to do under huge provocation.

Cardew

LizEstelle wrote:

Either you take a moral stance or you don't. Bleating about how hard it is to do, how hard it is to 'target' accurately, how one kind of death is longer than another, how this or that international organisation has made some lordly pronouncement according to ITS lights... well, you can be impressed by all of that if you really insist.

Without the intervention of the International Whaling Commission, backed by all the whaling nations Governments, there is little doubt that all species of whale would have been hunted to extinction.

It was their 'lordly pronouncement' that introduced the ban and they have not relaxed it for all species.

However the justification for the initial ban was to protect species and not because it was cruel etc. In their judgement that original justification is no longer valid.

alexlv

Why don't you guys boycott UK, US etc ?

I am outraged by the decisions of these countries to resume killing of Iraqis.

During the years of the invasion régime in Iraq, I tried my best never to buy any products from US and felt better for it even if it was a miniscule gesture.

It's my firm intention if at all possible not to buy ANY products exported from these countries while they maintain this attitude.

Is there anyone else out there willing to make this early New Year's resolution??

maow425

Thank you so much for that post! But I am afraid that you have left yourself wide open for severe heckling! It seems that if one tries to say anything that may upset the fuhrer-istic, one tends to be described as infantile, cat-calling trolls just out of kindergarten.

I've tried to make perfectly valid points, even helped out and made suggestions in favour of the OP, and I am more than happy to admit that I have tried my best to lighten things up with a bit of humour now and then, and even self-criticism. The OP chose to respond by insulting and thanking me in the same breath.