Boycott JAPAN, ICELAND, NORWAY

scope

ringo_24601 wrote:

Shame the guild shop decided to ban all produce from israel - what if someone had wanted some dead sea salt soap?

If the OP wants a just cause to support she should boycott Israel.

We should care more about other human beings, than worry about a few fish.

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scope, do you want to boycott the Israeli firms with Arab workers or just the jewish ones? Good luck finding a company to pick

Firms are not countries. Do something that affects the governments of the countries, not the companies and workers. Give money to children's charities working in the west bank if you want, but don't think that your self-imposed economic sanctions have the effect you wish.

Sometimes it's better to use a carrot than a stick

maow425

tr3mor wrote:

You have obviously posted a highly contentious issue on an open forum. Of course you have to endure people questioning it!!!

Yes! At last! Someone has managed to put into words what I have been thinking! What I find slightly odd is that the OP decides to ridicule and offend the very people who have been trying to come up with perfectly good suggestions as to how they can carry through their protest.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you OP! Even though a couple of those hands will be enclined to offer a Jarlsberg sarnie!;)

redux

Pink-winged wrote:

Hi LizEstelle,

You should get more replies to your thread on the Green and Ethical board, so I've moved your thread over there.

Pink

Seeing as this thread is in this board now, I'd like to observe that Norway generates a large proportion of it's electricity from hydro-electric power and has used it's oil revenues for rather better investment than we have.

Japan has never shown any propensity to develop nuclear weapons.

I realise that these remarks are off-topic for this thread, but it doesn't mean they will be that much out of place, and at least this post contains no personal remarks.

maow425

deanos wrote:

Well im not off on holiday to Wales any more with all these mad Icelandic people over there killing people, its too dangerous

I couldn't help but laugh wholeheartedly at your great post! I'm not off to Wales either! I'm going to Norway! Just for christmas, and we'll all get lots of snow, so the OP can enjoy a lovely rainy christmas day, when we are going to be really greedy and have two christmas dinners! All because those whale-killing Norwegians celebrate christmas on the 24th, with a big pork roast (not whale after all - tut tut).

redux - you're quite right about Norway's electricity - in fact, most of it's electricity comes from hydro power, and the gas they get from the North Sea gets shipped here, to Germany etc. A new pipeline was opened very recently, so the power the OP is using is likely to be a result of Norwegian gas. I wouldn't mention it though, it will probably just anger the OP more, and they will just come down on you like a ton of bricks for saying anything that has obviously got nothing to do with whaling. Despite the fact that this (and the other thread) was started by the OP expressing their disgust over the fact that the 3 countries mentioned have started killing whales again, and it has also been repeatedly pointed out that this statement was incorrect. Norway have been legally whaling all along.
Then the OP asked for ideas on what could be boycotted, and when this power issue was mentioned, the OP seemed to get a bit touchy on that subject, complaining that it had nothing to do with the original thread. I beg to differ, but get beaten with the proverbial anti-whaling stick every time, and have been called a childish unintelligent troll.

Gray0103

I think Norway is a shining example to other countries with a 5M population, of what can be done if you break free from your larger neighbour.

maow425

May I ask why you think this is, as it goes against everything the OP seems to stand for, and I like that! I know, I can be so evil, but my stupid neighbour got me up at 2.30 this morning, with his shouting and swearing, and I never really got the chance to go back to sleep.:mad:

LizEstelle

Gray0103 wrote:

I think Norway is a shining example to other countries with a 5M population, of what can be done if you break free from your larger neighbour.

Yes, and it is also a shining example of govenment-sanctioned, barbaric behaviour which deserves being challenged by all and ANY means.

Oil, gas, hydro and other issues have NO RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER TO THIS.

Other countries have been pleading with Japan, Norway etc for YEARS to end this disgraceful practice... all to no effect whatsoever. The financial interest of the whalers always seems to carry more weight.

Pleas and entreaties by others appear to be as good as useless when dealing with these countries. We've tried that and I challenge anyone to say we haven't.

Words count for nothing and, since our own government appears as pathetic as usual in this matter, I'm left with little option but to do this if I have any morality.

It's my choice. Would you and others like you go and make your own and stop criticising me for engaging in my legal right to take it. I was asking others to consider doing the same - ok, I get the message... for whatever reason you've decided to take a back seat on the issue. Fine. I accept that and I ask YOU to accept MY position.

LizEstelle

maow425 wrote:

Yes! At last! Someone has managed to put into words what I have been thinking! What I find slightly odd is that the OP decides to ridicule and offend the very people who have been trying to come up with perfectly good suggestions as to how they can carry through their protest.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you OP! Even though a couple of those hands will be enclined to offer a Jarlsberg sarnie!;)

'Questioning' I have no problem with at all.

It's the crass, infantile rude-noise-making-instead-of-argument tactics to which I was referring. This is almost always the first refuge of the incompetent argument-loser. From the moment it first became obvious, I began to lose interest in anything they were posting. Either the killing of whales for profit is a serious issue or it isn't.

Quite frankly, they have so clearly shown their true, wrecking colours via this that I have chosen to ignore them. They are simply not worth the bother.

I don't mind debating the issue seriously (even though this thread was started as a simple request to consider taking the same action as me) but I shall not do so with people who have shown themselves prone to juvenile antics and pathetic attempts at satire whenever they feel they aren't getting their way.

They are and will be ignored. That's another option I have a perfect right to take up.

maow425

LizEstelle wrote:

It's the crass, infantile rude-noise-making-instead-of-argument tactics to which I was referring. This is almost always the first refuge of the incompetent argument-loser. From the moment it first became obvious, I began to lose interest in anything they were posting. Either the killing of whales for profit is a serious issue or it isn't.

Quite frankly, they have so clearly shown their true, wrecking colours via this that I have chosen to ignore them(...)prone to juvenile antics and pathetic attempts at satire whenever they feel they aren't getting their way.

Just out of curiosity - am I one of these people? Because I have resorted to what I would consider a bit of humour to lighten things up a bit. So I like to laugh. But I do resent it when someone decides to have a go at me claiming to make a stand but then criticising me fpr making perfectly good suggestions, like the one about our electric and gas. I have also yet to have a response from you on that issue. Because if you want to boycott something, shouldn't you do it wholeheartedly, and not just boycott those things you can live without. I don't know about anyone else, but I can certainly live without a Japanese car, and if I had to, I suppose I could live without Jarlsberg. These are easy things to boycott, and IMHO, one should not selectively boycott just those things one can do without anyway - that would be completely unethical, and not very effective.

LizEstelle wrote:

Oil, gas, hydro and other issues have NO RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER TO THIS.

I beg to differ, they are very relevant, as they are part of what you are trying to boycott.

Besides, can you really complain? It kept the thread up front, and you yourself said that it had generated a lot of interest...