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Benefits shake-up: warning for non-working claimants
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That is why there are 'in work' benefits. It's easy to say that 'they' should make work more attractive. There is no 'they'. There is the government who takes money from me and other workers in the private sector to pay government wages and benefits, and there is the private sector who generate the jobs. If minimum wages get raised, inflation goes up and prices rise, and therefore the minimum wages buy less and the cycle starts again.
The real problem is that people who are not working or work in poorly paid jobs just have to accept that they will have a low standard of living. That's just the way it is.
I have no problem with that, as long as the job pays enough to have a reasonable way of life.
If you want a better lifestyle you have to improve yourself.0 -
That is why there are 'in work' benefits. It's easy to say that 'they' should make work more attractive. There is no 'they'. There is the government who takes money from me and other workers in the private sector to pay government wages and benefits, and there is the private sector who generate the jobs. If minimum wages get raised, inflation goes up and prices rise, and therefore the minimum wages buy less and the cycle starts again.
The real problem is that people who are not working or work in poorly paid jobs just have to accept that they will have a low standard of living. That's just the way it is.
I have been harping on about this for a couple of years now.
The worst thing that ever happened in this country was when good old Maggie decided that it was everybody's right to a good life, good wages and their own home. From then on it all went downhill fast.
People started believing that they were entitled to what they fancied. Expensive holidays - why not stick 'em on the old plastic. 4 bed detached house, why not tell a few porkies and get a 100% mortgage, new car - hey get some credit, designer clothes - yeah - why not - I want to be a footballer's WAG!!!, can't afford it - get a bank loan.
And then you have council tenants doing the damn same, buying council houses on the cheap!!
There has in this country, always been the have's and the have not's. People should take stock of who they are, where they are and why they are. Some can afford a new 6 bed home others a rented poxy 1 bed flat. Some can just about afford out of wages, a £300 car, others a new £50,000 BMW ever 3 years.
Just accept what you have, what you earn and what it can and cannot buy.
That doesn't mean to say that you don't try to better yourself, but there is a limit for most people.
When we actually stop believing in a fairyland that you are 'entitled' the country will be a lot healthier.
Generally you are either born into a lifestyle or are very very lucky to achieve it out of hard work. The rest of us, we were and still are the pawns of the rich - accept it!!!0 -
I have been harping on about this for a couple of years now.
The worst thing that ever happened in this country was when good old Maggie decided that it was everybody's right to a good life, good wages and their own home. From then on it all went downhill fast.
People started believing that they were entitled to what they fancied. Expensive holidays - why not stick 'em on the old plastic. 4 bed detached house, why not tell a few porkies and get a 100% mortgage, new car - hey get some credit, designer clothes - yeah - why not - I want to be a footballer's WAG!!!, can't afford it - get a bank loan.
And then you have council tenants doing the damn same, buying council houses on the cheap!!
There has in this country, always been the have's and the have not's. People should take stock of who they are, where they are and why they are. Some can afford a new 6 bed home others a rented poxy 1 bed flat. Some can just about afford out of wages, a £300 car, others a new £50,000 BMW ever 3 years.
Just accept what you have, what you earn and what it can and cannot buy.
That doesn't mean to say that you don't try to better yourself, but there is a limit for most people.
When we actually stop believing in a fairyland that you are 'entitled' the country will be a lot healthier.
Generally you are either born into a lifestyle or are very very lucky to achieve it out of hard work. The rest of us, we were and still are the pawns of the rich - accept it!!!
Why should we accept an unfair system?
Lets have more equality!0 -
I wish the government would clarify what is going to happen to those of us on ESA when UC comes in...This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0
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xXMessedUpXx wrote: »I wish the government would clarify what is going to happen to those of us on ESA when UC comes in...
ESA will still exist even if not by name, just as a additional payment under Universal credit.
They have said that the PCA (or whatever its called on ESA now, the actuall assessment process I mean) will still exist in the new system to clarify who is fit for work or not.
They are however thinking about imposing more conditionality for some people who currently have no conditionality imposed (ie some in the support group may be forced into training/placements etc) but its early days and none of this may happen, its all got to get legislated and agreed in parliament first, which will take many years.[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
frank_begbie wrote: »Why should we accept an unfair system?
Lets have more equality!
If you are saying that it is unfair that others have more than you - well just accept it. It's been like that for over 500 years and it will continue to be so.
You are either born into wealth or are lucky to create it. The rest of us are best to accept where we stand.
It's not the system that is unfair, unless you believe that everybody should be equal with equal amounts of money and equality in life.
If so, you are in favour of a communist state. Look what happened to the USSR?
It will never happen, and the sooner we all accept our lot in life the better it will be. As I said, the state of this country is because people have expected to have more than what they have or earn.0 -
ESA will still exist even if not by name, just as a additional payment under Universal credit.
They have said that the PCA (or whatever its called on ESA now, the actuall assessment process I mean) will still exist in the new system to clarify who is fit for work or not.
They are however thinking about imposing more conditionality for some people who currently have no conditionality imposed (ie some in the support group may be forced into training/placements etc) but its early days and none of this may happen, its all got to get legislated and agreed in parliament first, which will take many years.
The sooner the better in my opinion!
I cannot believe that this country has that many people who are sick and unable to work. It's a National joke!!
Unless the state has put something in the water or maybe the food chain.
Why do we have double the average number of sick and unemployable people than most of the other countries in Europe?0 -
The sooner the better in my opinion!
I cannot believe that this country has that many people who are sick and unable to work. It's a National joke!!
Unless the state has put something in the water or maybe the food chain.
Why do we have double the average number of sick and unemployable people than most of the other countries in Europe?
would not put it past them, the have been spraying (and probably still are) large sections of the country with nasty bacteria. They have even released chemicals into workplaces and the london underground - to test bacterialogical/chemical warfare etc - all without the publics prior knowledge or consent.[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
Will premiums still apply? The only reason i get Cold Weather payments and could hypothetically be entitled to the one bedroom rate is because i get DLA and am considered severely disabledESA will still exist even if not by name, just as a additional payment under Universal credit.
They have said that the PCA (or whatever its called on ESA now, the actuall assessment process I mean) will still exist in the new system to clarify who is fit for work or not.
They are however thinking about imposing more conditionality for some people who currently have no conditionality imposed (ie some in the support group may be forced into training/placements etc) but its early days and none of this may happen, its all got to get legislated and agreed in parliament first, which will take many years.This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
xXMessedUpXx wrote: »Will premiums still apply? The only reason i get Cold Weather payments and could hypothetically be entitled to the one bedroom rate is because i get DLA and am considered severely disabled
No idea.. sorry.[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
[/greenhighlight][redtitle]
The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0
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