Its All Kicking Off Outside Tory HQ

nomoreboomandbust

tomterm8 wrote: »

I was, in fact, in the first cohort to pay tuition fees, and I was on the first protest against them, we had a jolly ride up to the Labour party conference in blackpool, did our march peacefully, had a bevvy or two in the pub, and went home. The only downside was we ended up listening to pinko Ken Livingston, but it can't all be brilliant.

At that time, very few of the students cared... maybe if they had made a fuss then, this day would not have come.

But then, if you graduated you probably ended up with a reasonably paid job , now the outlook for graduates is a lot bleaker, plus the added burden of the increased fees.

nomoreboomandbust

leveller2911 wrote: »

Maybe they should take advantage of the free vocational further education.
This country will/is crying out for Joiners,Carpenters, Plumbers,Bricklayers and Engineers..........!!!!!! is all the fuss about with degrees and going to uni???......

People need to wake up and realise we have millions of homes in this country that will aways need improving and re-building.Skilled Labour is expensive.

How many more Journalists and astro physicists (dodgy spelling) do we need.......

Won't be long before Plumbers are earning more than a Solicitor, mark my words..;)

Shush, don't say that too loud otherwise we will be flooded by even more poles :mad:

abc1989

Im sorry, you want to go to university....deal with it.
Shut up and stop complaining.....these marchs aren't going to change the minds of the MP's
:mad:

nomoreboomandbust

abc1989 wrote: »

Im sorry, you want to go to university....deal with it.
Shut up and stop complaining.....these marchs aren't going to change the minds of the MP's
:mad:

you sure ?, these politicians are very adept at doing u-turns, the poll tax riots seemed to have an effect

Wookster

Generali wrote: »

Unfortunately this is what happens when Labour wreck the country. The Tories are left try to sort the mess out.

FWIW, I think education should be provided by private institutions that are paid for mostly out of taxpayers money. It should be possible to be educated to Masters level without having to pay a single fee IMO.

In a twisted way I just wish Labour would have won. Perhaps the uk needs a gilt strike so that joe bloggs sees just how much damage has been done.

Blacklight

trenchwars wrote: »

Tinfoil hat time. Just a few months ago the police were warning that cuts to the policing budget might lead to civil unrest:

http://www.newstatesman.com/2010/09/police-cuts-lead-widespread

! Now all of a sudden we have a mini-riot on our hands. Could the police have deliberately provided a weak response to this incident to highlight their point? Could they even have employed "agent provocateurs" to stir-up trouble in the crowd? There have been allegations that they have used this tactic in the past:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/10/g20-policing-agent-provacateurs

I was watching the TV last night and I noticed the police standing around doing nothing while the scum kicked in the windows. I did wonder about that and then it dawned on me that they probably supported what they were doing.

Sick imo. Sack the lot of them and give the jobs to people that would willing do it for the money without striking for a 7% pay rise.

quantic

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

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Thanks for correcting my iphone.

nomoreboomandbust

Blacklight wrote: »

I was watching the TV last night and I noticed the police standing around doing nothing while the scum kicked in the windows. I did wonder about that and then it dawned on me that they probably supported what they were doing.

Sick imo. Sack the lot of them and give the jobs to people that would willing do it for the money without striking for a 7% pay rise.

The police cannot strike, why would they , the more protests/marches the more overtime they get, lovely jubbly :mad:

lemonjelly

abc1989 wrote: »

Im sorry, you want to go to university....deal with it.
Shut up and stop complaining.....these marchs aren't going to change the minds of the MP's
:mad:

The thing is, something clearly is changing the minds of MP's. Given that they are there to represent us, I'd be interested in knowing exactly what does change their minds.

In particular, & relevant to this thread, here is an example of a phenomenal U-turn:

Originally Posted by Nick Clegg 19 March 2010:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2010/07/02...-these-people/

Look, the decision on how we govern this country and how people vote shouldn't be driven by fear of what the markets might do. Let's say there was a Conservative government. Let's say a Conservative government announced, in that sort of macho way: 'We're gonna slash public spending by a third, we'll slash this, we'll slash this, we'll do it tomorrow. We have to take early, tough action.'
Just imagine the reaction of my constituents in south-west Sheffield. I represent a constituency that has more people working in public services as a proportion of the workforce than any other constituency in the country. Lots of people working in unviersities, the hospitals and so on.
They have no Conservative councillors. They have no Conservative MPs. There are no Conservative MPs or Conservative councillors as far as the eye can see in South Yorkshire. People like that are going to say: 'Who are these people telling us that they are are going to suddenly take our jobs away? What mandate do they have? I didn't vote for them. No one around here voted for them.'
I think if we want to go the direction of Greece, where you get real social and industrial unrest, that's the guaranteed way of doing it.

Now, this is a party that got ALL its MP's to sign a pledge pre-election to not increase tuition fees.

Nick Clegg stated yesterday that the action of the crowd would not change the governments mind.

What changed your mind Nick? Please, explain yourself.

(NB thanks to Wheezy, who posted the above in another thread a few months ago).

hethmar

Nic Clegg has already stated that they were not aware of the extent of the mess Labour had left the finances in. He also said that he is not in power, but in partnership with the Tories and that there has to be compromise.

I think we have a generation who feel a university education is a right and should be free - when I was 16 it was a case of "get out and earn some money" - most "working class" parents couldnt even contemplate putting a child through university. I was thrilled when we realised we could put our kids through uni with help from government loans and some hard saving.

As an aside, this morning on the radio, the Labour shadow minister was saying that the Tory/Lib plan to get people off benefits and into jobs wont work - there are "5 jobless people chasing every vacancy in this country".

Now, correct me (Im sure some of you will) but wasnt the Labour reason we were allowing millions of immigrants in because there were TOO many jobs vacant??