Its All Kicking Off Outside Tory HQ

Asheron

Once again, dispatched agents provocateurs have turned a peaceful protest into a property-destroying circus sideshow.

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naughtybish

PhylPho wrote: »

I always thought a definition of qualifying for a university education was that you were brighter than the average bear.

But that was donkey's years before ZanuLabor and the luvvly cozy Socialist ideal that at least half the UK population should at the age of 18 go to university.

To hell with brains. With wit. With intellect. With. . . selection. No race should any longer have a winner; all competitors should be allowed to cross the finishing line together. It's only fair.

This was the world according to Blair, Brown, Balls and a ZanuUK where even though it was blindingly obvious that the State could *never* afford to fund the higher education of 50% of the 18 age group. . . hey, what does that matter?

Just build your Socialist client state and hope that, university education notwithstanding, folks will always remain as fiscally ignorant as a pliable electorate simply has to be.

Thankfully, ZanuLabour and ZanuUK are deservedly in tatters, its most recent architect vanished off the horizon with nothing to say and no apology to offer.

All of which now surely leads to a reassertion of the process of natural selection.

Which also means that were I as brighter than the average bear today as I was when qualifying for university in the 1960s (along with that other 4 or 5% of the population) then that same process of natural selection would persuade me *not* into staging displays of adolescent self-interest outside some political party HQ or other. . .

But in not bothering to go to university at all.

NB: to all those banging on about how yesteryear students wangled a free pass to a university education, your memory's either selective or you're too young to know any different.

All grants were means-tested according to parental income. Kids who dropped out of uni left their parents with the bill for grant repayment. Kids who didn't went into jobs. Not GAP years.

My parents had to stump up towards the costs of my education, just as I would've been happy to stump up towards the price of my kids' education -- except Britain today isn't the Britain it was back then, and so wasn't a country facing the massively inflated higher education bill that ZanuLabour wilfully contrived, and whose apologists would now dearly wish everyone to forget amidst blizzards of posts about how the LibDems broke a promise (oh sob, sob.)

As for the rebels without a cause at yesterday's all-too-easily manipulated 'protest', my, how things have changed from those glory days of 1968 when there was every reason to demonstrate and, for so many, many students in so many different places around the world, also to die.

I agree.
In the old days only the super intelligent went to uni and did
worthwhile degrees . It was kids from rich familys that paid
for degrees in such things as music and the arts etc.

with all these mickey mouse degrees around nowadays why do they
not simply do those at the secondary shools , i mean A levels
are not what they use to be , so stay on for another couple of years ,be a lot cheaper ,

Bish

vaporate

For arguments sake, I'm sure if house prices were politically 'fixed' to sky dive down 30% overnight,, tax targetted purposely there would be a riot by the mid to older generation lol

Then us young uns can just sit here and say, "well house ownership is a privvie not a right" lol.

Change of opinion would be swift.

Followed by blaming people with mickey mouse mortgages with mickey mouse money printed with no backing to support it all lol.

Pull the ladder up jack lol

hethmar

I doubt very much if there would be a riot vaporate - our generation tends to be stoic about things. Most of us have arleady lost that in pensions taking a nose dive.

The current rent a mob riot participants probably have no idea what they are supposed to be rioting about anyway. Half a dozen hard liners who whip up a frenzy and a few thousands having a day out with a bit of a rumble.

StevieJ

tomterm8 wrote: »

He is a liar because he says he was not aware of the state of the public finances before the election. You have a choice: he was a liar or a fool.

I was aware of the state of the public finances before the election. Every single person on this board was aware of the state of the public finances before the election. You would have to be beyond stupid not to know the state of the public finances before the election. All you needed to do was turn the news on, and the news would tell you the state of the public finances before the election. The only difference was that, in fact, the economy has performed better than predicted since the election, and so public finances are better than predicted.

The irony was that they were better than we thought

vaporate

hethmar wrote: »

I doubt very much if there would be a riot vaporate - our generation tends to be stoic about things. Most of us have arleady lost that in pensions taking a nose dive.

The current rent a mob riot participants probably have no idea what they are supposed to be rioting about anyway. Half a dozen hard liners who whip up a frenzy and a few thousands having a day out with a bit of a rumble.

I doubt that very much.

If true then just well trained by the gov lol.

No generation is better than the other. That's just ignorance and the feel of alienation with the new generation proceding over the next and so on.

Example, you had the mods and rockers in one generation, like chavs and goths in another.

tomterm8

PhylPho wrote: »

I always thought a definition of qualifying for a university education was that you were brighter than the average bear.
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I don't think that is the case. There have always been people who are very good at one thing... like art, or maths, or music, but not very good at general stuff. One of the biggest geniuses’ in the 20th century was Paul Erdős who could barely tie his shoes.

hethmar

vaporate wrote: »

I doubt that very much.

If true then just well trained by the gov lol.


Example, you had the mods and rockers in one generation, like chavs and goths in another.

Yes, thats true, but you were talking about that generation now, not how we were in the 60s And at that time there were real issue to march about, we had Vietnam and apartheid and many other injustices - issues worth fighting for, not ones which involve a little tightening of your belt.

vaporate

hethmar wrote: »

Yes, thats true, but you were talking about that generation now, not how we were in the 60s And at that time there were real issue to march about, we had Vietnam and apartheid and many other injustices - issues worth fighting for, not ones which involve a little tightening of your belt.

An extra 6k per year is not a little tightening lol

I heard nearly all unis will charge 9k over 6k. The paradigm is incase if a uni charges 6 not 9k then the course might be seen as a lesser quality...

Anyway that's what I heard anyway, not factual.

treliac

tomterm8 wrote: »

I don't think that is the case. There have always been people who are very good at one thing... like art, or maths, or music, but not very good at general stuff. One of the biggest geniuses’ in the 20th century was Paul Erdős who could barely tie his shoes.

When I was a full time student, I had a sociology lecturer who insisted that if 'we' are good at one subject we are good at 'everything'. It may have been a fair while ago and I was only a young student who didn't have the 'tools' to contest it, only an instinctive understanding, so I didn't argue. But I seethed inwardly.

Edit: Actually, I probably did argue, but not very well due to my limited evidence and experience at the time. Time has proved to me that I was right.
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