I can see it coming.....

Brassedoff

gemstar, as someone who has run several, I see your point, but cannot agree. There are several functions that the state must provide. And do for compassionate reasons or to protect it's people. Health, social care, Education are just a few examples where you should not use business techniques. When I was younger I may have agreed with you, but with age my outlook changed. You need to have a guarantee of services irrespective of Market forces or indeed monetary needs

Gemstar30

Brassedoff wrote: »

gemstar, as someone who has run several, I see your point, but cannot agree. There are several functions that the state must provide. And do for compassionate reasons or to protect it's people. Health, social care, Education are just a few examples where you should not use business techniques. When I was younger I may have agreed with you, but with age my outlook changed. You need to have a guarantee of services irrespective of Market forces or indeed monetary needs

Hello

I too have been involved in running businesses but at the tender age of 62, all I see is a country looking directly into the mouth of a liquidator!! - the IMF.

Yes I agree the country does have social responsibilites to its people, but at a cost.
Where does the money come from?

Would it not be a wonderful country if everybody that could do some work actually did it in exchange for benefits?

Additionally, it would also be a source of income for the country - the organistion that had responsibility to employ these people would pay a fee for all of this free labour. The 'cut' they would get would be from the people that the work was done for.

No I can't see that happening the unions would scream!!

What we ARE missing here is the lack of pride in people, the motivation, the spirit of adventure, the willingness to help, and the general attitude of selfishness and greed.

We've tried the carrot, all that is left is the stick!

BLT_2

themull1 wrote: »

And they shouldn't work for their Benefits because.....? I'm sick of people getting money for nothing, it will be nice to see the country litter and grafitti free for a change.

And in these days of austerity and budget cuts this would achieve exactly what? The councils would further cut their employment force and use the unemployed to carry out litter cleaning and other jobs which are currently undertaken by fully employed people.

Lets restrict CB to the first 2 children and then means test it, it is absolutely ridiculous that an individual earning 100k a year should be able to claim any form of benefit from the tax payer, substantially reduce overseas aid, stop immigration unless the individuals wishing to move in can provide evidence of savings and income and remove the right to social housing for anyone who has not been domiciled in the country for at least 10 years.

mandyboops1973

There is already enough money in this country the problem is distribution of wealth the rich have it all, The minumim wage is to low, there are people that work 40+ hours per week and still have to struggle to put a roof over their heads and food in their mouths before they evern consider any luxuerys.

You can say education is the key to higher paid jobs but thats not the point, in 2010 NOBODY who works 40+ hours a week should have to worry about the basic nesesitys of having a roof over their head and putting food in their mouth.

There is no incentive to go to work for alot of people, when they will still be struggling to get by while working 40 + hours.

if the minimun wage was £50 per hour all these doll dossers would be fighting each other for the jobs.

There should be a limit of how much money you can earn, who needs more than 100k a year to live? there are people earning millions and millons each year, they have more money than they can ever spend, why not put all of this money back into the economny rarther than hitting the poor?

This is not just a rant from a bitter poor person who envys everybody who has lots of money, i dont have lots of money but im very very happy with my life, i was never brought up to worship money i was brought up to undestand the valuable things in life are your loved ones and your health,hense i never felt the need to spend years and years in colalge and uni learning how to make lots of money, i always wanted to work in a old peoples home as a carerer which i did before i had my disability.

Invalidation

Gemstar30 wrote: »

Hello

I too have been involved in running businesses but at the tender age of 62, all I see is a country looking directly into the mouth of a liquidator!! - the IMF.

Yes I agree the country does have social responsibilites to its people, but at a cost.
Where does the money come from?
!

The money comes from the national Insurance contributions weve been paying since we started work, The tax we paid in work, the VAT we pay on everything (dont mention the fuel) the money comes from the billions the Government makes and squanders on everything.

What is needed is for some small business people to take a look at what HMG spends (wastes) its money on.
You can cut Foreign aid for one. Why pay money for other countries to benefit their lives when we have old and sick people in this country who could do with it..

Brassedoff

Invalidation wrote: »

The money comes from the national Insurance contributions weve been paying since we started work, The tax we paid in work, the VAT we pay on everything (dont mention the fuel)
You can cut Foreign aid for one. Why pay money for other countries to benefit their lives when we have old and sick people in this country who could do with it..

Hear, hear! £3.4b on aid, a joke

WhiteHorse

BLT wrote: »

Lets restrict CB to the first 2 children and then means test it ...

Good, but better to get rid of Child Benefit and Child Tax Credits altogether.

As long as we continue to pay a salary for having children, there will be career single mothers. It's the sink estate baby factories, not the disabled, that are the biggest drain on the budget.

WhiteHorse

Invalidation wrote: »

The money comes from the national Insurance contributions weve been paying since we started work.

Exactly. The politicians are keen to avoid this point. We pay National Insurance, not a tax. If the government doesn't want to pay out on claims, it shouldn't take the premiums in the first place.

WhiteHorse

Brassedoff wrote: »

If they were stopping benefits for a certain ethic minorty who are allowed to claim duplicate benefits there would be an outcry from people like Liberty.

This is actually true.

Most people can only claim for one wife. A certain group can legally claim for more than one. I have seen the DWP documents that state that this is so.

Is that right or just? Is it equality? I don't think so.

Invalidation

WhiteHorse wrote: »

Exactly. The politicians are keen to avoid this point. We pay National Insurance, not a tax. If the government doesn't want to pay out on claims, it shouldn't take the premiums in the first place.

I pointed this out to my MP when we were talking and he mentioned I was on benefits.

I was very abrupt with him telling him I was NOT on benefits but simply claiming the Insurance which I had been paying to the Government since 1965. If he didnbt consider it was Insurance, why was it called such?
It is an Insurance, no more, no less. You pay in weekly and when needed you claim. Simples