I can see it coming.....

Brassedoff

funguy wrote: »

If we didnt have to pay so much in benefits then maybe the working people could pay 1p less in tax for every £1 they earned!

I assume you purchased your Mail on Sunday today, as everyone on DLA is obvously swinging the lead? Personally, just one little aspirin would cure all my disc problems and fix what two major ops did not do (back not caused by being fat either as I swam 10k a week working as a diver) I can then go back to employing 60 people and paying my Corporation tax & NI, pay my tax and NI on my dividends, then pay tax and NI on my earnings, then pay tax on my savings. I can then rebuild the savings it took me nineteen years to save and three to eek out, before qualifying for benefits. Oh, is there any chance I can have all the money back for the contribution I made towards the NHS even though I had private healthcare and the payments I had towards the education system even though I paid for my kids education?

We are not all spongers!

funguy

Brassedoff wrote: »

I assume you purchased your Mail on Sunday today, as everyone on DLA is obvously swinging the lead? Personally, just one little aspirin would cure all my disc problems and fix what two major ops did not do (back not caused by being fat either as I swam 10k a week working as a diver) I can then go back to employing 60 people and paying my Corporation tax & NI, pay my tax and NI on my dividends, then pay tax and NI on my earnings, then pay tax on my savings. I can then rebuild the savings it took me nineteen years to save and three to eek out, before qualifying for benefits. Oh, is there any chance I can have all the money back for the contribution I made towards the NHS even though I had private healthcare and the payments I had towards the education system even though I paid for my kids education?

We are not all spongers!

I completely agree with you - should benefits therefore be linked to previous NI and tax payments....?
Therefore people such as yourself can get a higher benefit than those who have never worked?

Brassedoff

I could never advocate that. We live in a society that should care. That's the difference between a developed and undeveloped country. Between an evolved society and one living in the 1700's. The benefits system, IMHO should be a genuine safety net, one that prevents any member of our society who is entitled and has the genuine right to it to get it. That statement probably raises the race card, but I beleive you should only get what the system allows if you and or your family have paid in, irrespective of amount. Coming into this country and getting any benefit should not be allowed. Afterall, to be technically correct on the U.N's refugee requirements, only French, Irish, Dutch, Belgium, Norwegian's qualify.

I see, mortgage relief being reduced. Benefits being cut, but overseas aid being increased. I cannot square that circle myself.

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themull1 wrote: »

And they shouldn't work for their Benefits because.....? I'm sick of people getting money for nothing, it will be nice to see the country litter and grafitti free for a change.

we have people employed in our town to pick up litter,and ist an £80 fine for dropping so much as a fag end...would you throw them out of a job to settle your right wing mantras?
As for grafitti....almost a thing of the past now

KxMx

The old don't have a monolopy on being sick. What about those who get ill before the working age?

pwales_2

i feel im already doing unpaid work! every time i go out in my wheelchair i pick up loads of dog s**t on my tyres which then goes all over my hands.
and i do that for free !!!!!:mad:

Trialia

Brassedoff - not all of us who are 16-25 and unemployed are able to work, remember? I wish I could - I would get my A levels done and go back into the career path I've always wanted, if I were well enough!

(As it is, the latest specialist has told me my health has sustained too much damage from incompetent treatment for me to ever be as well as I was ten years ago all they can do now is try to stop it getting even worse. /"cool story, bro")

My younger sister, who's only 22, is severely agoraphobic, and she cannot get treatment for it. She can't leave her house alone, and when she can it's only for a few metres at a time and has to be with someone she knows and trusts. The longer she struggles in the system trying to get help for her condition, the worse it becomes. This is another false economy that this country's governments all seem to practice - cut the health system and/or restrict it to the point where people who are ill are not being helped to get better. She could get well again, I'm almost sure of it, but she can't do it without professional help.

Not all under-25s who are unemployed are employable.

bluebag

If these jobs, litter and graffit need doing then why are they not paid the minimum wage? Why are they not advertised so anyone can apply for them?

Are we trying to get people into work or re-working the chain gangs?

Benefits should be a short term thing for unfortunate circumstances, but before removing them we should be sure there are jobs to do.

Bankers bailout £850bn.... benefits bill £186bn. Maybe the bankers should be graffiti cleaning until its all paid back.

mandyboops1973

I think its a good idea for people on jsa, my worry would be with them serperating the people who are capable of work to the people who are not able to work and also the people with a limited capability of work.

A friend of mine who is imo severly disabled has been on high rate mobility and care for the last 4 years and this time come renewl she was refused and told she can walk over 50 meters with no problem what is a riddiculous statement to anybody that knows her.

The thought of her been sent litter picking and graffiti removing everyday is partley hillarious and partley disturbingly worrying to the fact going by our previous experiences with benifits it could quite easily happen.

They need to sort of the way they come to their dessions to a much more accurate way, They are much more intrested in getting people off benifits that seperating the truely ill and disabled from the work capable

The problem with the current goverment is their intrestes are always finacial they treat the country like its one big buisness but the uk is't a business if the objective is to take away from the shareholders ie the public. No business purposely sacrifices shareholder interest on such a huge scale, so its a bit of a backward philosophy imo. The reason for this is simple... the Tory objective is not the public, but enterprise.

Lakelady_2

Ah how easy it is to pontificate about a situation you have never been in.
I had a relative who worshipped a past Prime Minister, who couldn`t believe there were "poor people" in the UK in the 1980`s. All that changed when his health deteriorated and he found out the benefits system was not a bed of roses after all. More a humiliating and degrading process really.
Did I gloat or feel a slight sense of satisfaction - you bet I did.