Overtaking just as the speed limit increases

TVR2

!!!!!! wrote: »

Lack of situational awareness? What else aren't you aware of while driving? the pedestrian about to step off the curb for example?
Too many people drive in their own little bubble. Only use their mirrors when they want to overtake (normally 5 secs AFTER starting to pull out) and just don't have a clue about what is happening around them apart from 30 feet in front.

[FONT=&quot]Oh don't be such a provocative fool. If that pedestrian stepped off the curb you would be more likely to hit them because apparently you spend as much time looking in your mirrors as you do looking straight ahead. One should use the mirrors often enough to have a general picture of what is going on behind in order that a manoeuvre could be planned if necessary (confirming any assumption of one's situation with a good look in the mirrors before any manoeuvre is initiated.) A car behind could easily begin an overtake manoeuvre in the time allotted for looking forward (5ish second blocks, usually). Really, the car behind should indicate for at least 5 seconds before pulling out...[/FONT]

anewman

TVR2 wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]Really, the car behind should indicate for at least 5 seconds before pulling out...[/FONT]

Yep I think the "3 flash" one touch indicators are not enough for lane changing, overtaking etc. On many cars I believe you can change the number of flashes though.

Lum

But if you indicate before pulling out for an overtake, that pretty much guarantees that the car in front will speed up to block you. Suicide IMO.

mikey72

Lum wrote: »

But if you indicate before pulling out for an overtake, that pretty much guarantees that the car in front will speed up to block you. Suicide IMO.

That's up to you, but remember, if I'm the third car in the group, if you decide you don't need to indicate, you're fair game for me to overtake both of you.

rev_henry

TVR2 wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]Oh don't be such a provocative fool. If that pedestrian stepped off the curb you would be more likely to hit them because apparently you spend as much time looking in your mirrors as you do looking straight ahead. One should use the mirrors often enough to have a general picture of what is going on behind in order that a manoeuvre could be planned if necessary (confirming any assumption of one's situation with a good look in the mirrors before any manoeuvre is initiated.) A car behind could easily begin an overtake manoeuvre in the time allotted for looking forward (5ish second blocks, usually). Really, the car behind should indicate for at least 5 seconds before pulling out...[/FONT]

Couldn't have put it better myself. Also note that the megane didn't indicate at all, iirc.

Lum

Well unlike a lot of people on the roads these days, I do actually check my mirrors in the run up to, and immediately before pulling out, so if you decide to overtake I'll just have to wait for you.

You should probably be able to tell from my road positioning that I plan to overtake anyway.

It's still a safer option than the alternative which is that you start the overtake, the third car fills in the gap you just occupied, then the overtakee decides to speed up, and now you're on the wrong side with no-where to go.

Don't signal and you can build up a decent speed differential before the guy in front even notices. Plan for them to still try to speed up* and ensure there is sufficient visibility to do that, then you can overtake safely.

*It helps to have a rough idea of the performance of the car in front of you when making this plan, and to look out for any signs of modifications, as well as trying to get a rough idea of the driver's style and competence.

DirectDebacle

Quite simple really. There is no requirement to indicate an intention of overtaking. Prior to executing the manoevure you will have checked your mirrors and know that you are not going to inconvenience following vehicles. The driver in front will see you in their rear view mirror and be aware of what you are doing and will continue to drive without altering course or speed.

If the driver in front has not checked their mirrors, then will only become aware of your prescence as you are actually passing them. Under those circumstances any previous indication you gave would have been a waste of time as the driver wouldn't have seen it.

In respect of leaving a speed limit into NSL then, as you are all such good drivers, will know that an action such as dropping a gear and accelerating as hard as you can to the NSL is a change of your driving plan that would of course require to check your mirrors prior to execution.

mikey72

Lum wrote: »

Well unlike a lot of people on the roads these days, I do actually check my mirrors in the run up to, and immediately before pulling out, so if you decide to overtake I'll just have to wait for you.

You should probably be able to tell from my road positioning that I plan to overtake anyway.

It's still a safer option than the alternative which is that you start the overtake, the third car fills in the gap you just occupied, then the overtakee decides to speed up, and now you're on the wrong side with no-where to go.

Don't signal and you can build up a decent speed differential before the guy in front even notices. Plan for them to still try to speed up* and ensure there is sufficient visibility to do that, then you can overtake safely.

*It helps to have a rough idea of the performance of the car in front of you when making this plan, and to look out for any signs of modifications, as well as trying to get a rough idea of the driver's style and competence.

Assume I won't, and it's best to assume a few more dents in the nearside wouldn't overly worry me.
I also play head on chicken if you do it when I'm driving the other way.
Don't assume I won't accelerate rather than brake either.
Even if you flash your lights when you're on my side of the road.
Feel free to tell me I shouldn't, but I like the Mad Max films.
Remeber you put yourself there first though, I've never crossed the road to play.

Lum

I think you misread my post.

I check beforehand, if you have chosen to overtake first then so be it.

All the line you bolded was implying is that if you actually care about whether I plan to overtake or not, my road positioning should be a dead give away. If you don't care then just go ahead and do whatever. If you start to overtake first I'll just leave you to it.

skiddlydiddly

TVR2 wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]Oh don't be such a provocative fool. If that pedestrian stepped off the curb you would be more likely to hit them because apparently you spend as much time looking in your mirrors as you do looking straight ahead. One should use the mirrors often enough to have a general picture of what is going on behind in order that a manoeuvre could be planned if necessary (confirming any assumption of one's situation with a good look in the mirrors before any manoeuvre is initiated.) A car behind could easily begin an overtake manoeuvre in the time allotted for looking forward (5ish second blocks, usually). Really, the car behind should indicate for at least 5 seconds before pulling out...[/FONT]

The bit about the pedestrain yeah I agree its gets churned out too much but the poster should be checking their mirrors when the speed limit changes for occasions just such as this.He says something along the lines of being a better driver than others his age then posts things that show otherwise.