BBC: Scottish Property Prices Reach All Time High

geneer

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Much better to utilise fuller, reliable facts than an indicator that cover's only partial sales.

Stick to the ROSEA and you have good decent data to work with.

They're more up to date than the ESPC (ESPC latest release Nov, ROSEA latest DeC) and cover more sales.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Oh dear, Lite does appear to have missed the concept of what a lagging indicator is.

And could this be the same lite who only posts ago stated that he wasn't compelled to ignore statistics simply because he didn't like what they were saying.

You couldn't make it up.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

How long have you been saying that for?
I've not known you long but can envisage you've been saying that for the last 5 years.
Nevermind, stopped clock and all that, you might get a glimmer of satisfaction some quarter in the future.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:I'm sure theres a point in there somewhere, but I can't see it beyond the grumbling sour grapes of a clown who realises he's lost the argument.

Never mind Lite. Theres always the mindless attrition method favoured by trolls and idiots everywhere.
I wouldn't want my favourite gal to give up so soon.

IveSeenTheLight

geneer wrote: »

Oh dear, Lite does appear to have missed the concept of what a lagging indicator is.

And could this be the same lite who only posts ago stated that he wasn't compelled to ignore statistics simply because he didn't like what they were saying.

You couldn't make it up.

Which stat is lagging, when I checked yesterday the ESPC released Novembers figures while the ROSEA released Decembers

Here's the links again
ESPC = Nov
http://www.espc.com/house-price-news/edinburgh-house-price-reports.html

ROSEA = Dec
http://www.ros.gov.uk/professional/eservices/land_property_data/lpd_stats.html

Tell you what, when your ready to talk about facts, figures and stats, let me know

geneer

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Which stat is lagging, when I checked yesterday the ESPC released Novembers figures while the ROSEA released Decembers

Here's the links again
ESPC = Nov
http://www.espc.com/house-price-news/edinburgh-house-price-reports.html

ROSEA = Dec
http://www.ros.gov.uk/professional/eservices/land_property_data/lpd_stats.html

Tell you what, when your ready to talk about facts, figures and stats, let me know

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Oh oh. He knows he's fluffed it, but is compelled plough on in the hope that no one notices.
Too late lite. :T

Gosh who could have seen that coming.

geneer wrote: »

Never mind Lite. Theres always the mindless attrition method favoured by trolls and idiots everywhere.

Another bear prediction comes true.

IveSeenTheLight

geneer wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Oh oh. He knows he's fluffed it, but is compelled plough on in the hope that no one notices.
Too late lite. :T

Gosh who could have seen that coming.


Another bear prediction comes true.

See your still not prepared to talk about the facts and figures.
If you can't debate / discuss in an adult fashion then is there mouch point in discussing any further?

I posted up the latest ROSEA release, which your not happy to acknowledge.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Can I question these statistics with you Geneer?
From here http://www.ros.gov.uk/pdfs/rosstatisticalreport_oct-dec2010.pdf

Page 4 Table 1 Average residential Properties
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £216,597
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £208,449
Annual Change = 3.9%


Page 9 Table 5 Detached Average (Mean) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £369,138
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £337,921
Annual Change = 9.2%

Page 11 Table 7 Semi-Detached Average (Mean) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £257,740
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £247,961
Annual Change = 3.9%

Page 13 Table 9 Terraced Average (Mean) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £229,501
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £239,255
Annual Change = -4.1%


Page 15 Table 11 Average (Mean) Sale Price for Flatted properties
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £187,242
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £182,033
Annual Change = 2.9%

It seems quite clear the facts don't match up with what you are saying.

Maybe you think the "Mean" average is skewed and we should be looking at the median average.

Ok then, here's the median average: -

Page 18 Table 13 Median Average residential Properties
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £172,000
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £162,000
Annual Change = 4.2%


Page 19 Table 14 Detached Average (Median) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £342,000
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £319,000
Annual Change = 7.2%

Page 20 Table 15 Semi-Detached Average (Median) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £223,000
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £210,000
Annual Change = 6.2%

Page 21 Table 16 Terraced Average (Median) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £177,250
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £175,000
Annual Change = 1.3%



Page 22 Table 17 Average (Median) Sale Price for Flatted properties
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £154,500
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £151,076
Annual Change = 2.3%


Now let's please stick to facts, feel free to provide your own links we can discuss.
If you don't want to discuss the facts, or provide relevant links then your simply wasting your post as there will be nothing to discuss maturely.

geneer

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

See your still not prepared to talk about the facts and figures.
If you can't debate / discuss in an adult fashion then is there mouch point in discussing any further?

I posted up the latest ROSEA release, which your not happy to acknowledge.




Maybe you think the "Mean" average is skewed and we should be looking at the median average.

Ok then, here's the median average: -

Page 18 Table 13 Median Average residential Properties
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £172,000
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £162,000
Annual Change = 4.2%


Page 19 Table 14 Detached Average (Median) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £342,000
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £319,000
Annual Change = 7.2%

Page 20 Table 15 Semi-Detached Average (Median) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £223,000
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £210,000
Annual Change = 6.2%

Page 21 Table 16 Terraced Average (Median) Sale Price
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £177,250
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £175,000
Annual Change = 1.3%



Page 22 Table 17 Average (Median) Sale Price for Flatted properties
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2010 = £154,500
Edinburgh Oct - Dec 2009 = £151,076
Annual Change = 2.3%


Now let's please stick to facts, feel free to provide your own links we can discuss.
If you don't want to discuss the facts, or provide relevant links then your simply wasting your post as there will be nothing to discuss maturely.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Wow. Spam-o-rama

Never mind Lite. Theres always the mindless attrition method favoured by trolls and idiots everywhere.

IveSeenTheLight

geneer wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Wow. Spam-o-rama

Not Spam-o-rama, just trying to get you to discuss the facts.

Your obviously not happy to do so, there endeth the attempt at meaningful discussions.

I'm no longer going to lower myself to your level, come back when your happy to discuss facts

geneer

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Not Spam-o-rama, just trying to get you to discuss the facts.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:So long as they're just your facts, right lite.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

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Your obviously not happy to do so.

Nope. I've been more than happy to discuss the issues, and a brief glimpse back through this thread confirms I have done.
You're just not happy to accept some rather obvious conclusions.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

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there endeth the attempt at meaningful discussions.

Just like the last four times you ended discussions then. :T

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

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I'm no longer going to lower myself to your level, come back when your happy to discuss facts

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

See you around darling.

Like I've said before, I've no idea why you cared soooo very much about one single person in a single city

But its certainly been fun watching an imbecile like yourself
i) near instantly becoming a comedy stereotype with not a shred of self awareness
ii) banging your head on a brick wall by launching into extended variations of whats obviously an already failed attack.

But hey, I guess the heart wants what the heart wants. :kisses:

Consider yourself whupped.

IveSeenTheLight

geneer wrote: »

So long as they're just your facts, right lite.

It's not my facts, it's facts I've linked that can be verified by anyone.

P.S. still waiting for you to post a link or facts to discuss

geneer wrote: »

Consider yourself whupped.

Ok, I'm "whupped" by someone not willing to discuss facts, post links or have a mature debate.
[shrugs shoulders] I don't know how I ever stood a chance [/shrugs shoulders]

geneer

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

:smileyhea:lovethoug:happyhear:happyhear:heartpuls:blushing::kisses2:
[Shrugs shoulders] [roars angrily]
[gets out glitter pen and pink paper to compile another love letter]

Back so soon darling.
That's your most worthless flounce to date. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Putting aside the smokescreens and familiar discredited assertions,
on the subject of "mature debate" perhaps you can enlighten us
as to why the salient issue (and there was one back in the day) matters so very much to you.

Its not because your a stereotypical embittered nut-job is it?

IveSeenTheLight

geneer wrote: »

perhaps you can enlighten us
as to why the salient issue (and there was one back in the day) matters so very much to you.

I simply prefer to link facts instead of subdiffusion so it's clear to anyone reading the forum to make their own minds up.

You'll have seen I back up posts with facts and links for others to delve into the details should they wish.

Now, do you wish to make a point on any of the links / facts I posted or do you wish to make your own point / fact / link?