A thread not often seen in these parts!

Driver8

Stigy wrote: »

I actually have no aspiration to be a Traffic Warden or a PCSO. I already have more power than both to all intents and purposes!

Here we go with the "power" bit. Go back into your little bedsit you silly little boy.

anewman

Driver8 wrote: »

Do one, troll.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=3477038&postcount=29

Please be nice to people with different points of views. If we can all be nice then maybe we can all eventually reach some kind of agreement, and posts putting forward another view help bring forward discussion on the points of view widely held on this forum. An outsider seeing a post that is contrary to popular opinion, then reading the replies can make their own informed decision about the rights and wrongs. I would suggest they help further understanding of popular opinion here. Either way, the posts are beneficial.

Stigy wrote: »

Rail customers will never get the bus, as they're slow, smelly and on time less than the train is.

My experience is different. Same as buses they're full of drunks and chavs playing crap music on their phone. Often there are no seats at peak hours and you're crammed in like a sardine tin, and despite this happening every single day the train company can't be bothered to put an extra carriage or two on. A recent spate of posts suggests the train companies are out to dish out fines similar to PPC ones, even if for example someone has paid and the ticket machine did not work to collect it (yes yes I see having a valid ticket and having paid for it are different things but common sense should prevail). I'm glad I don't use the trains any more, going seriously down hill like the PPCs are.

kwaks

Driver8 wrote: »

Here we go with the "power" bit. Go back into your little bedsit you silly little boy.

It IS all about the power for some.

:rotfl:

Stigy

kwaks wrote: »

Stigy, Stigy, Stigy.

Make up your mind!!

You start off defending the PPC, then slip back into your role working under the Railway Bye laws when it suits you.

Which is it to be? The PPC who makes it up as they go along or the Byelaws which I have clearly stated are lawful and follow process?

Erm, I was responding directly to you I believe. Guys, I think we're all getting a little bit tetchy here, aren't we? Especially Driver 8, bless him.

Driver8

anewman wrote: »

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=3477038&postcount=29

Please be nice to people with different points of views. If we can all be nice then maybe we can all eventually reach some kind of agreement, and posts putting forward another view help bring forward discussion on the points of view widely held on this forum. An outsider seeing a post that is contrary to popular opinion, then reading the replies can make their own informed decision about the rights and wrongs. I would suggest they help further understanding of popular opinion here. Either way, the posts are beneficial.

I somewhat agree with what you're saying a newman but anyone who can condone thieves and charlatans and the way they go about their "business" are fair game to me.

Tom

kwaks

He might have had a stressful day

kwaks

It will always lead to a heated debate between those who work on the parking enforcement side of the fence and the rest of the public.

I am however surprised to see someone on the legal side of parking enforcement defend those of a more dubious nature.

I would put it to Stigy, if the "rules" set out by a PPC are lawful and would stand up in court, why then does the railways still go through the process of using their byelaws and indeed employ people themselves to enforce them, when a PPC would gladly do it for the railway free of charge?

He might be doing himself out of a job ( at least in part ) by his support of them, and does he know they often work on commission/targets so that it is in their interests to "fine" motorists?

anewman

But many people did wrong in just "doing their jobs". Think of the Nazis etc. The moral decision to undertake the tasks is with the person in the end, even if they decide the wage outweighs any moral pangs.

Stigy

kwaks wrote: »

It will always lead to a heated debate between those who work on the parking enforcement side of the fence and the rest of the public.

I am however surprised to see someone on the legal side of parking enforcement defend those of a more dubious nature.

I would put it to Stigy, if the "rules" set out by a PPC are lawful and would stand up in court, why then does the railways still go through the process of using their byelaws and indeed employ people themselves to enforce them, when a PPC would gladly do it for the railway free of charge?

He might be doing himself out of a job ( at least in part ) by his support of them, and does he know they often work on commission/targets so that it is in their interests to "fine" motorists?

It's like with anything on the Railway Byelaw side of things, there are often penalties issued in order to keep the more trivial offences out of court. A PPC worker more than likely wont have been trained to a level whereby they are competant to report for offences, and would no doubt cost the TOC to have such training carried out. I find it strange that when ever I point something out to you, or justify my posts, you seem not to mention them again, which would indicate that I am right.

Only a small part of byelaw enforcement relates to car parking, so it's worth most TOCs' while to have their own staff to help enforce them. Solely from a railway perspective, the byelaws support car parking enforcement. The only downside with getting such an offence to court whereby a PCN goes unpaid etc, is the fact that evidence is pretty non-existant!

It's strange actually, I was recently accused of bullying another member at this very forum, an accusation I refute still. Want to know what real hostility is? Just read a few of Driver8's posts! For somebody to wish ill health on people they don't know, and for all they know might be seriously ill already, is quite frankly dispicable, and they should be banned immediately.

Absolutely astonishing behaviour!

backfoot

Just a quick scan of this thread but it absolutely amazes me how we have got to this point.

I can remember the time at which I used to travel to the local station to catch the train to the centre of Birmingham or to go London. There were no parking charges, no tickets.It was all part of the attraction of using public transport to avoid congestion,be able to work on the train etc. Now we have their employees whose mission is to patrol,fine,check up on ,prosecute, clamp and on it goes.Don't the Jobsworths just love it.

The same in Supermarkets,retail parks and smaller precincts. The shops wanted your custom so they provided the spaces for free. Now we can't have a day out shopping and/ or eating a meal without some made up constraint and some so called owner deciding it now has be charged for ,patrolled,ticketed and made up fines for this that and the other.

The system allowed the clampers to thrive,the PPC bullies to hide in their lookouts ready to pounce as soon as you even go to get change for the bloody ticket.

Thanks. You have made it so much clearer about the direction of the railways and other operations and where we are headed.:o It's exactly why I now avoid these places like the plague.