A thread not often seen in these parts!

kwaks

Stigy wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Parking attendants aren't mind readers though, and a hidden parking ticket isn't "clearly displayed"....Somebody WITH a correct ticket that has taken up two parking spaces through their own mindless and selfish parking, deserves a PCN in my opinion. And those who take up a disabled bay without displaying a blue badge deserve a PCN, even if it emerges that they just didn't display said badge!

OK Stigy, let me correct you on a few things.

The blue badge scheme does not apply to private car parks/spaces.

Parking in a FREE car park and recieving a demand for £70 because you were there more than 2 hours is wholly unjustified.

People may be less inclined to take up 2 spaces if the car park owners were not so greedy that they made the spaces so small that cars were damaged by other users, all to fit in another couple of "paying customers".

Private Parking companies have no appeals process, they constantly ignore CCJs and phoenix, they obtain owners details in a dubious way, misrepresent the law etc etc

No one would condone using a car park without paying the going rate, however the law does not allow these companies to levy penalties against you.

I use P&D car parks, I also use FREE car parks patrolled by these companies when I am in the stores providing these spaces.

TRESPASS is for the land owner to pursue, not a third party who sees a profit in it. Trespass laws would not allow a profit to be gained, only the damages.

Stigy

peter_the_piper wrote: »

The solution to the tickets problem is either a glue that Actually Does work or to have a clip inside the windscreen to hold the ticket. Problem solved.
As you use a ppc to issue tickets then its most unlikely they have the authority to issue under rail bylaws unless the rail company actually runs the parking and just subcontracts the issuing. PPC's cannot use byelaw 14 for their own benefit, all these go to mags court.

I know they don't have the authority to issue under the Railway Byelaws, which was my point. I on the other hand DO have that authority, because I work directly for the TOC. Reporting under the byelaws would go directly to the TOC to persue once an individual has been reported for an alleged offence.

kwaks wrote: »

OK Stigy, let me correct you on a few things.

The blue badge scheme does not apply to private car parks/spaces.

Parking in a FREE car park and recieving a demand for £70 because you were there more than 2 hours is wholly unjustified.

People may be less inclined to take up 2 spaces if the car park owners were not so greedy that they made the spaces so small that cars were damaged by other users, all to fit in another couple of "paying customers".

Private Parking companies have no appeals process, they constantly ignore CCJs and phoenix, they obtain owners details in a dubious way, misrepresent the law etc etc

No one would condone using a car park without paying the going rate, however the law does not allow these companies to levy penalties against you.

I use P&D car parks, I also use FREE car parks patrolled by these companies when I am in the stores providing these spaces.

TRESPASS is for the land owner to pursue, not a third party who sees a profit in it. Trespass laws would not allow a profit to be gained, only the damages.

I know the Blue Badge Scheme does not apply in private car parks, however, they private company CAN request one is displayed incertain spaces in order to differenciate who is able to use said spaces. This is why you still have to pay to use such spaces, where the spaces are chargable!

I never mentioned Trespass.

vikingaero

Most car parks that rely on post event parking tickets aren't really that important. If you wanted to control the land and who accesses it then you do it properly with pay machines and entry and exit barriers.

kwaks

Trespass is for Gill.

You are missing the point Stigy. A private parking company can request anything they want, from the display of a blue badge to reverse parking only. They can even request that everyone puts a red nose on their car come comic relief.

However, they do not have the right to issue a penalty if you do not comply. The only people who can issue a penalty are the courts, police or council.

Private Parking Companies are misrepresenting the law for their OWN benefit. They lie, cheat, demand with menaces and are seemingly accountable to no one.

I do not condone bad parking, inconsiderate parking, using a retail outlets space when commuting or any other dubious practice, however those "crimes" by the driver are mothing compared to the practises of the PPC companies. We are talking about companies who have ticketed and clamped, even towed people from parking spaces that they own, companies that have clamped vehicles with people inside them (even people taking driving lessons).

They are the lowest of the low, and when the day comes that they are finally out of business then they will simply move on to prey on the public with some other dubious scheme.

Stigy

I see your point, but I for one can respect that companies have to set rules for their customers to adhear to.

patman99

Well, how about this for a big p!ss-take. If I wish to work overtime, and my car happens to be parked in the private company carpark when the local football team (whose stadium is only 5 minutes walk away) plays a home game, I am required to display a permit to avoid a pcn.

As I have yet to complete my probationary period, I am apparently not entitled to one. My solution is to cover my number plates with cardboard as this prevents the ppc guy from reading said number plate without removing the obstruction, and thus commiting a criminal act.

kwaks

Customer is always right Stigy, because without them the company will not survive.

Yes companies can have rules and request their customers follow them, however they cannot make up and enforce their own "laws".

Lets say your ideas are right, surely that gives the customer the right to make up their own rules as well, for the company to follow.

Your train is running 10 minutes late, that means you owe me £500 because I missed the chance to place a winning bet on the way to work and the stress of having to forgo my Starbucks?

I get on the train with a valid ticket, but it is full and there is no seats....so I invoice the train company for £70?

You need to remember the people parking round the station ARE your customers. As such they are paying the railway money. Chase them away by draconian illegal "penalties" or over exuberance in parking rules and they will simply get the bus.

For the record, my local train station is currently having a multistorey car park built alongside it to supplement the free parking already there. The parking in this new area will also be free, the costs paid between the rail authority and council. Granted they have the space there to do this, but it is measures like this which will encourage people to commute by train, not by fining them and increasing costs by dual charging for the parking and train.

kwaks

patman99 wrote: »

Well, how about this for a big p!ss-take. If I wish to work overtime, and my car happens to be parked in the private company carpark when the local football team (whose stadium is only 5 minutes walk away) plays a home game, I am required to display a permit to avoid a pcn.

As I have yet to complete my probationary period, I am apparently not entitled to one. My solution is to cover my number plates with cardboard as this prevents the ppc guy from reading said number plate without removing the obstruction, and thus commiting a criminal act.

Not really, your registration number is displayed on your tax disc which it IS an offence not to display.

Stigy

kwaks wrote: »

Customer is always right Stigy, because without them the company will not survive.

Yes companies can have rules and request their customers follow them, however they cannot make up and enforce their own "laws".

Lets say your ideas are right, surely that gives the customer the right to make up their own rules as well, for the company to follow.

Your train is running 10 minutes late, that means you owe me £500 because I missed the chance to place a winning bet on the way to work and the stress of having to forgo my Starbucks?

I get on the train with a valid ticket, but it is full and there is no seats....so I invoice the train company for £70?

You need to remember the people parking round the station ARE your customers. As such they are paying the railway money. Chase them away by draconian illegal "penalties" or over exuberance in parking rules and they will simply get the bus.

For the record, my local train station is currently having a multistorey car park built alongside it to supplement the free parking already there. The parking in this new area will also be free, the costs paid between the rail authority and council. Granted they have the space there to do this, but it is measures like this which will encourage people to commute by train, not by fining them and increasing costs by dual charging for the parking and train.

You're taking it to unrealistic extemes now! The TOC has the right to "make up" rules as you put it, although I think you'll find most car parks have exactly the same rulings. If they were acting illegally, they woudn't be able to do so, would they? Railways are slightly different, in that in most cases byelaws cover the car parks. That being said, I don't have to issue a PCN if I don't want to, I could await the customer to return and submit an MG11. Simples. As with all penalties, although I respect that it's easy money, they're supposed to act as a deterrant to make people more likely to pay for their parking.

Strange as it might seem, I'd say about 90% of all PCNs I have issued have been for customers displaying NO ticket at all. As far as customer's always being right, I reported a customer who trespassed on the railway a while back, he had travelled by train and had a completely valid ticket. This customer said he hadn't comitted any offences and wouldn't take responsibility for his actions. He was WRONG. Therefore, this customer wasn't RIGHT! I can quote numerous occasionas whereby customer's have not been right. Some seem to think that because they have a ticket to travel, they have the right to demand what that want, where really, all a train ticket is, is a contract between customer and TOC to ensure travel on a train, and a seat would be a bonus!

Rail customers will never get the bus, as they're slow, smelly and on time less than the train is.

kwaks

Stigy, Stigy, Stigy.

Make up your mind!!

You start off defending the PPC, then slip back into your role working under the Railway Bye laws when it suits you.

Which is it to be? The PPC who makes it up as they go along or the Byelaws which I have clearly stated are lawful and follow process?