The Public Sector Cuts - Anyone worried?

saverbuyer

I think the point was the turnout was 43% with a majority of members not actually voting for a strike.

43% took part. 67% of those voted YES. But the majority of members didn’t vote or said no.

That’s the way the system works. Not that I agree with it.
Will anyone notice? I’m looking forward to the reduction in traffic myself.

NAR

NIPSA will be asking all union members to support the strike based on the majority verdict achieved - whether members respond positively or not remains to be seen. Personally I reckon there will be a majority of union members in work ie strike breaking.

Mistral001

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

I see NIPSA have voted to go on strike! OR HAVE THEY ????????? Like all good democracies, only 43% of members voted and of those only about 2/3 voted for strike action......... so basically only about 29% of all NIPSA members actually voted for strike action... not exactly a massive majority!!
So did the other 71% not want to go on strike?? Or did they just sit on the fence like we usually like to do here??
Although I don’t agree with the strikes and am not a big fan of the Public Sector, particularly how it is run, I have more respect for someone who votes for the strikes than those who sit on their hands and say nothing....
I think this, like all our elections, is a bit of a joke.... I think it should be mandatory to vote, be it for union action or elections, otherwise it just makes an !!! of the whole system...
So basically 29% of the NIPSA members, technically a massive minority, has made a decision for the majority!
Rant Over!!

That's the way it works. If you are given the opportunity to vote and do not vote, then you cannot complain about the outcome either way. If they did not vote and were against the strike then if there is a negative reaction by the public as a result of the strike, then those people cannot really complain.

warmhands.coldheart

I've always worked in the Private sector and have never had any dealings with Unions (Thank God!) But if people are a member of a striking union and don't vote and decide to go to work.... What happens, do they get "told off"? Do they get abused by fellow union members (Roll on the bullying and descrimination cases!!)
or does nothing happen/get said??
I'm Curious!

steveymp

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

I've always worked in the Private sector and have never had any dealings with Unions (Thank God!) But if people are a member of a striking union and don't vote and decide to go to work.... What happens, do they get "told off"? Do they get abused by fellow union members (Roll on the bullying and descrimination cases!!)
or does nothing happen/get said??
I'm Curious!

No one will be harassed for not striking, its personal choice, the fact that the threat of strike has brought the govt back to the table is a start, we can do nothing about these changes IMHO but striking and being prepared to strike will make the govt think twice before the next round of screw the public sector pensions;)

I don't mind the increased pension age:o
I don't really mind contributing more to my pension, providing it is going to the pension pot (which it is NOT) and not the big banker created black hole:o

I do mind the 20 years of my contributions being downgraded:mad:
I do mind losing a final salary pension I have paid 20 years for:mad:
I will end up with a pension averaged over 40 years (if I live that long) instead of a final salary pension:mad: considering my first annual salary was £4000 that makes a BIG difference in my pension:mad:

If your going to change it, close the scheme and create a new scheme for new employees, don't shaft your existing employees who have worked for years on smaller salaries than private sector equivilents with their only perk being a decent pension after 40 years of struggle and grunge:mad:

Rant Over

saverbuyer

steveymp wrote: »

No one will be harassed for not striking, its personal choice, the fact that the threat of strike has brought the govt back to the table is a start, we can do nothing about these changes IMHO but striking and being prepared to strike will make the govt think twice before the next round of screw the public sector pensions;)

I don't mind the increased pension age:o
I don't really mind contributing more to my pension, providing it is going to the pension pot (which it is NOT) and not the big banker created black hole:o

I do mind the 20 years of my contributions being downgraded:mad:
I do mind losing a final salary pension I have paid 20 years for:mad:
I will end up with a pension averaged over 40 years (if I live that long) instead of a final salary pension:mad: considering my first annual salary was £4000 that makes a BIG difference in my pension:mad:

If your going to change it, close the scheme and create a new scheme for new employees, don't shaft your existing employees who have worked for years on smaller salaries than private sector equivilents with their only perk being a decent pension after 40 years of struggle and grunge:mad:

Rant Over

I don't know where to start in ripping this apart. You are completely blinded.

20 years contributions, retire at 65, live until your 85 (that's 20 years) and you think you should get a final salary pension. Your earnings were 4K when you started to "contribute". Seriously this is why this is completely UNfundable.

You'll get nowhere with this strike. UKPLC is broke. We the private sector can't afford our pensions let alone these public sector one you insist on making us pay for.

NAR

saverbuyer wrote: »

We the private sector can't afford our pensions let alone these public sector one you insist on making us pay for.

Go do some more overtime, help the public sector chaps!

A.L.D.A

NAR wrote: »

Go do some more overtime, help the public sector chaps!

Many would if there was the work, and there may be more work if there was less costs in the system.

samphe

steveymp wrote: »

No one will be harassed for not striking, its personal choice, the fact that the threat of strike has brought the govt back to the table is a start, we can do nothing about these changes IMHO but striking and being prepared to strike will make the govt think twice before the next round of screw the public sector pensions;)

I don't mind the increased pension age:o
I don't really mind contributing more to my pension, providing it is going to the pension pot (which it is NOT) and not the big banker created black hole:o

I do mind the 20 years of my contributions being downgraded:mad:
I do mind losing a final salary pension I have paid 20 years for:mad:
I will end up with a pension averaged over 40 years (if I live that long) instead of a final salary pension:mad: considering my first annual salary was £4000 that makes a BIG difference in my pension:mad:

If your going to change it, close the scheme and create a new scheme for new employees, don't shaft your existing employees who have worked for years on smaller salaries than private sector equivilents with their only perk being a decent pension after 40 years of struggle and grunge:mad:

Rant Over

Well said! I totally agree

steveymp

saverbuyer wrote: »

I don't know where to start in ripping this apart. You are completely blinded.

20 years contributions, retire at 65, live until your 85 (that's 20 years) and you think you should get a final salary pension. Your earnings were 4K when you started to "contribute". Seriously this is why this is completely UNfundable.

You'll get nowhere with this strike. UKPLC is broke. We the private sector can't afford our pensions let alone these public sector one you insist on making us pay for.

Read the post please, I have 20 years contributions so far (I'm still youngish:o) by the time I retire (at a minimum age of 66 now) I will have more than 40 years of pension contributions (if God spares me). The NHS pension fund I pay into is actually profitable and not topped up by further govt money:o After 40+ years serving the public in the NHS and scraping by, it is my one reward to get a Final Salary Pension.

The NHS pension fund is stable and self sustainable, if the Govt wish to change the scheme now they should set up a new one for anyone starting a career now, I signed up 20 years ago with the promise of this pension, to me that is breach of contract.

NAHT have voted to join the strike too, their first ever strike in their 114 year history:o

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