The Public Sector Cuts - Anyone worried?

saverbuyer

Witless wrote: »

Really?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/public-sector-lost-4000-jobs-in-one-year-says-report-16066341.html

No not really.

The article suggests the public sector numbers decreased by 1.8% in the past year.

1.8% wouldn't even cover retirement of the 230,000. It would be closer to 4%. So if anything the public sector actually "took on" people last year.

Hardly the job cuts we need.

x12yhp

saverbuyer wrote: »

I didn't say tax was simple. The way we pay for public services is. We pay for it through private sector taxation or as the case is now, borrowing. The private sector is a net contributor and pays for the public sector and finances public sector borrowing.

You don’t save money by cutting the private sector. Have any economies grown by cutting their private sector?

Have any grown by cutting the public sector?

Agreed. No one is saying that public sector workers do not pay tax but they do not add money to the system.

bingo_bango

x12yhp wrote: »

Agreed. No one is saying that public sector workers do not pay tax but they do not add money to the system.

Well there it is folks, x12 and saverbuyer have the ultimate (and in their opinion it seems the only) solution.

Let's just get rid of all the nurses, teachers, firemen, police etc and then there will be no drain on the taxes of the righteous hardworking individuals who have a 'real' job. They'll then have much more money to spend on themselves in the future.

Of course, without those public services, that future is going to be mighty short....

And for the record, I am both a public sector worker, and a private sector worker. By your reckoning, I am therefore adding value to the pot. Does that mean you will give me a bye-ball come the revolution?

Mistral001

saverbuyer wrote: »

No not really.

The article suggests the public sector numbers decreased by 1.8% in the past year.

1.8% wouldn't even cover retirement of the 230,000. It would be closer to 4%. So if anything the public sector actually "took on" people last year.

I saw that as well and thought exactly the same.

Shows how statistics can be misunderstood. 4000 seems a lot until you find out that it is 4000 out of 230,000.

almillar

Some people seem to be ignoring the high amounts of money flowing from the public sector to the private sector for consultants, audits, HR etc for work that used to be done by public sector workers. Where do taxes come from again? Private sector workers? Whose employers are doing work for the public sector?!

bingo_bango

almillar wrote: »

Some people seem to be ignoring the high amounts of money flowing from the public sector to the private sector for consultants, audits, HR etc for work that used to be done by public sector workers. Where do taxes come from again? Private sector workers? Whose employers are doing work for the public sector?!

Exactly Al. So where exactly is the public sector spending their money?

Just one example of how the private sector is riding to the salvation of the economy. Clicky.

Then compare this line from a Bele Tele story 'HRConnect is scheduled to cost the public purse more than £400m over a 15-year period.' with the reality below.

Unfortunately that had risen to over £560 million by the end of year 4 (2009) alone. Surprisingly, they have stopped releasing figures on this cost going forward. Oh, and Fujitsu (the main partner) are a company with their head office in Tokyo, so it's not as if the taxes on these monumental figures are going into the treasury here.

Good ol' private sector bods. I sleep very safely knowing they are helping so much.

x12yhp

bingo_bango wrote: »

Well there it is folks, x12 and saverbuyer have the ultimate (and in their opinion it seems the only) solution.

Let's just get rid of all the nurses, teachers, firemen, police etc and then there will be no drain on the taxes of the righteous hardworking individuals who have a 'real' job. They'll then have much more money to spend on themselves in the future.

Of course, without those public services, that future is going to be mighty short....

And for the record, I am both a public sector worker, and a private sector worker. By your reckoning, I am therefore adding value to the pot. Does that mean you will give me a bye-ball come the revolution?

!!!!!!. I hope you aren't a detective because you have made one hell of a leap there. Were I to do the same I would assume, from your name, that there is a fair chance you are a female OAP with a crazy perm.

I never said we should get rid of all these people. What I agreed with and stated is correct, irrelevant of your petulance. This is one very good reason why we need a balance in our society. Too little public sector and society is not adequately serviced. Too much public sector and there is not enough money to pay. In the extreme case (no private sector) - where do you propose the money is coming from?

warmhands.coldheart

I see NIPSA have voted to go on strike! OR HAVE THEY ????????? Like all good democracies, only 43% of members voted and of those only about 2/3 voted for strike action......... so basically only about 29% of all NIPSA members actually voted for strike action... not exactly a massive majority!!
So did the other 71% not want to go on strike?? Or did they just sit on the fence like we usually like to do here??
Although I don’t agree with the strikes and am not a big fan of the Public Sector, particularly how it is run, I have more respect for someone who votes for the strikes than those who sit on their hands and say nothing....
I think this, like all our elections, is a bit of a joke.... I think it should be mandatory to vote, be it for union action or elections, otherwise it just makes an !!! of the whole system...
So basically 29% of the NIPSA members, technically a massive minority, has made a decision for the majority!
Rant Over!!

steveymp

43% is a very high turn out in terms of union voting TBH:o it is usually 20% or so.

Copied from the email I got this morning

In Favour of Strike Action 12,366 (66.87%)
Against Strike Action 6,126 (33.13%)
In Favour of Action Short of Strike Action 14,985 (81.66%)
Against Action Short of Strike Action 3,365 (18.34%)
The turn out was 42.98%

Looks like a wet day without pay for me then

highrisklowreturn

LOL Up the strike breakers.