How to stop rawl plugs falling out of wall?

KaratePigeon

Hello,
Hoping someone can help with this as it's driving me mad. We have got a stairgate to stop my little boy falling down the stairs, but have had several attempts at putting it up - everytime it lasts about 5 mins before my son pulls on the gate and it comes down, leaving holes in the wall where the rawl plugs used to be!

We thought the rawl plugs weren't big enough for the hole, but have changed them for bigger sized plugs, twice, but they still keep coming out. It's like the plaster is too crumbly to hold them in. The people who lived here before us had a stairgate up in the same place so I'm not sure if it's some sort of filler we are actually drilling into? either way, what can we do? DP wants to glue the plugs into the hole but I'd like to get some advice before we get in more of a mess with it, please?!

I don't know what I can tell you about the wall, it's just an adjoining wall to my neighbours house, quite thin walls, modern house...

Meepster

What kind of rawl plugs are you using?

ITtim

Is it plaster board? If so then there are special raw plugs for it. If not maybe try a little grip fill in the hole before you put the raw plug in?

aboard_epsilon

You should be using the brown plugs ...some makes of plugs are hopeless...and some seem incompatible with the screws.

Good makes of plugs are Rawlplug and Talon

Drill 7mm hole with 7mm masonry drill...make sure its not bent

Some masonry drills are inconsistent ..meaning ..that some are 7.5mm ...make sure you take a vernier calliper with you when you buy masonry drills ..these are about £8 from aldi when they have them...measure the drills ..only buy the 7mm ones .

... Avoid hammer action on drill ..as you will get a straiter more accurate hole without hammer...its harder
.if you are going into block..you can get away without hammer.
brick.... no you cant .

Make sure you go into the brick itself ..and not the mortar between the bricks.

Use the biggest screws that will go with the plugs.

If using an electric screw driver/ drill driver ..do not spin the screw in the plug when its home.

Do not use the same holes that have failed before.

The plug should be in the brick..not in the plaster ....so drill extra long ..so that this happens .....and buy the longer screw to suit this .

all the best.markj

phill99

Plasterboard needs special plugs. The ones I always use are called 'Uno', made by Rawplug. As you screw i9n, they open up and anchor themselves in to the plasterboard. Ordinary ones will just slip out.

benjus

I've found this product works well in some situations: http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wet-and-Fix/invt/511151

However, if it's a surface that is unsuitable for rawlplugs I you should use a more suitable plug (e.g. http://www.wickes.co.uk/Cavity-Fixings/invt/510006 for plasterboard).

Barneysmom

Sounds like you haven't gone into the brick, how far in did you drill?

wallbash

make sure you take a vernier calliper with you when you buy masonry drills ..these are about £8 from aldi

Sorry I take advice on whats on the label,
Life is too short to wander around BQ with a calliper

stephen25uk

aboard_epsilon wrote: »

You should be using the brown plugs ...some makes of plugs are hopeless...and some seem incompatible with the screws.

Good makes of plugs are Rawlplug and Talon

Drill 7mm hole with 7mm masonry drill...make sure its not bent

Some masonry drills are inconsistent ..meaning ..that some are 7.5mm ...make sure you take a vernier calliper with you when you buy masonry drills ..these are about £8 from aldi when they have them...measure the drills ..only buy the 7mm ones .

... Avoid hammer action on drill ..as you will get a straiter more accurate hole without hammer...its harder
.if you are going into block..you can get away without hammer.
brick.... no you cant .

Make sure you go into the brick itself ..and not the mortar between the bricks.

Use the biggest screws that will go with the plugs.

If using an electric screw driver/ drill driver ..do not spin the screw in the plug when its home.

Do not use the same holes that have failed before.

The plug should be in the brick..not in the plaster ....so drill extra long ..so that this happens .....and buy the longer screw to suit this .

all the best.markj

LMAO at this post has to be some of the biggets load of pap i have read with regards as to how to drill a hole.

who in there right mind takes a set of callipers in to a shop and starts measuring drill bits.....you will be telling us next you take them to dominoes to make sure your getting the full 12" pizza you have paid for

secondly you say "you should be using the brown rawl plaugs"..why? the correct hole size and rawl plug to use is the one that suits the job you are trying to do.

avoid using hammer action.......drilled in to many concrete lintels have you....you need the right drill on the right setting for the right job....to say no hammer action is wrong.

"do not spin the screw in the plug when its home"..if you have drilled the correct size hole,used the correct rawl plug and the correct screw it will tighten as if its was screwed into wood,when it all the way home it wont spin,will only spin if you have used too small a screw or drilled too big a hole for the rawl plug your using.

optimus_primera

stephen25uk wrote: »

LMAO at this post has to be some of the biggets load of pap i have read with regards as to how to drill a hole.

who in there right mind takes a set of callipers in to a shop and starts measuring drill bits.....you will be telling us next you take them to dominoes to make sure your getting the full 12" pizza you have paid for

secondly you say "you should be using the brown rawl plaugs"..why? the correct hole size and rawl plug to use is the one that suits the job you are trying to do.

avoid using hammer action.......drilled in to many concrete lintels have you....you need the right drill on the right setting for the right job....to say no hammer action is wrong.

"do not spin the screw in the plug when its home"..if you have drilled the correct size hole,used the correct rawl plug and the correct screw it will tighten as if its was screwed into wood,when it all the way home it wont spin,will only spin if you have used too small a screw or drilled too big a hole for the rawl plug your using.

Gotta agree with this!

ormus

if your neighbour can hang his hat on your screw, then its too long.