Coalition crack on to cutting benefits to Baby Factories

iolanthe07

Presumably Alan Cross thinks that selling off half our gold at a huge discount and robbing pension plans of £5 billion a year was a good idea too. Brown was probably the worst chancellor we have had since WW2. He inherited a sound stable economy in 1997 and managed (with the help of US sub-prime lenders and others) to screw it. He vastly over spent during the good years, claiming that 'boom and bust' was at an end. How hollow that sounds now.

Horizon81

GB stole everyone's pension. It so funny reading the lefties posts on here. What did you expect the current government to do? Keep spending and throwing money at things like there's no tomorrow?

Now can we get this back on topic?

sunshinetours

iolanthe07 wrote: »

Presumably Alan Cross thinks that selling off half our gold at a huge discount and robbing pension plans of £5 billion a year was a good idea too. Brown was probably the worst chancellor we have had since WW2. He inherited a sound stable economy in 1997 and managed (with the help of US sub-prime lenders and others) to screw it. He vastly over spent during the good years, claiming that 'boom and bust' was at an end. How hollow that sounds now.

Its this point that I think history will record as one of the defining events. Once the people this affects start to retire 20/30 years down the line, the true extent will be shown

The gold thing I do think has been overplayed a little . Yes he was advised not to sell at that price but to compare with today's historically high prices is a bit far fetched. We could all be millionaires with a bit of hindsight after all

mvengemvenge

Gloomy_Past_Bright_Future wrote: »

Therefore will follow the biggest North/South divide, as all the benefit claimants realise they can rent a 4 bed in the North West for about £500pcm, yet in the South East it would cost about £1500 pcm.

Off they go "tup north", so that they can still have all the best gadgets, fags, booze etc etc.

But it's grim up North

Kenny4315

Alan_Cross wrote: »

'Dillusional'..?

You sound exactly like my dad ... goes to the Durham miners gala .. spouts on about the Tories .. and rants on about how Labour is for the working man (which it isn't it is for the non working man, as has been seen by the outcry over the £26k cap)... he simply hates folk who have any money regardless of how they got it ... even if they worked 24/7 ...

... maybe you should have a think about the reality of a situation where the government in power for 3 terms had the country on the brink of total collaspe ... only prevented by decades of sorting out the rubbish they created in the first place.

Even when they where in a tip-top starting point, where the books balanced and had 10 years of 'ECONOMIC BOOM'

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

The more people they p1ss off is probably a good indication of how well they are tackling the problems.

Perhaps they should have also p1ssed off those with joint incomes of up to £87k who are claiming child benefit

dori2o

Mr Osborne did not put a figure on the maximum limit on the welfare cap. But he said that, with the exception of the disabled, no family will receive more in benefits than the average family receives from going out to work, around £26,000 or £500 a week.

This really annoys me. No family will receive more in benefits than the average person earns. Yet I'm a civil servant earning £8000 less than this, and even worse when taken into account that in order to earn a NET salary of £26000, I would have to be earning in the region of £36000, twice my current salary. Yet I've had my pay frozen, my pension decimated and redundancy scheme also decimated. Why should I bother. Well I hope I am one of those in the job cuts, cause if I can have £26000 a year for sitting on my !!!! I'll never work again.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1318439/Jeremy-Hunt-Dont-expect-pay-benefits-unlimited-babies.html##ixzz11mYLXSmT

Kenny4315

Why don't we put together a list of benefits that these baby factories get :

Child Benefit
Child Tax Credit
Housing Benefit
Free School Meals
Income support
Job Seekers Allowance

Any more and any ideas of the cost. Lets look at 2 adults and 2 kids as typical.

I find it a bit of a struggle to come up with how on earth they get to £26k plus in the first place.

Kohoutek

Alan_Cross wrote: »

All the closet Tories on here spend half of their posts denying the fact.

GB wanted to ensure the continuing reversal of appalling Tory underspending on the health and education services which 95% of the population uses. 17 years of Thatcherite policies had to be seen off.

I remember the state of my local school's roof and the unbelievable trolley queuing in my local hospital, even if you don't. Why don't we hear much about waiting times for hospital procedures these days? Gordon Brown is the reason...

I don't think you've done your sums right Alan...

Year GDP Total Spending as percent of GDP
1979 199.22 42.75%
1980 233.184 44.54%
1981 256.279 45.29%
1982 281.024 45.56%
1983 307.207 43.20%
1984 329.913 42.59%
1985 361.758 41.71%
1986 389.149 40.76%
1987 428.665 38.40%
1988 478.51 36.28%
1989 525.274 34.25%
1990 570.283 35.23%
1991 598.664 36.45%
1992 622.08 37.97%
1993 654.196 39.84%
1994 692.987 39.90%
1995 733.266 40.76%
1996 781.726 39.58%

Average 40.28%

1997 830.094 38.35%
1998 879.102 36.96%
1999 928.73 35.33%
2000 976.533 34.75%
2001 1021.83 35.41%
2002 1075.56 35.82%
2003 1139.75 36.43%
2004 1202.96 37.53%
2005 1254.06 38.94%
2006 1325.8 37.91%
2007 1398.88 38.89%
2008 1448.39 39.75%
2009 1396 45.22%
2010 1451.5 45.53%

Average38.34%

Public spending under Labour only went up in nominal terms, because the pie (i.e. the economy) was getting a lot bigger. 2009 and 2010 are anomalous for obvious reasons.

I don't think you can really credit Gordon Brown for being the primary cause of the UK's boom years under Labour though. He certainly preached about the wonders of globalisation and welcomed the bumper tax revenues generated from the City and the UK's property boom with open arms...perhaps that explains his light touch approach to financial regulation and excessive growth in house prices...

FATBALLZ

Kenny4315 wrote: »

Why don't we put together a list of benefits that these baby factories get :

Child Benefit
Child Tax Credit
Housing Benefit
Free School Meals
Income support
Job Seekers Allowance

Any more and any ideas of the cost. Lets look at 2 adults and 2 kids as typical.

I find it a bit of a struggle to come up with how on earth they get to £26k plus in the first place.

They usually have 'disabled' kids who are a nice little earner.