Mobility query can other family members HAVE the car

Broken_hearted

woodbine wrote: »

UTTER rubbish there is NO repeat NO % rule,the car has to be used at all times for the purpose of transporting the claimant or on their behalf(e.g collecting prescriptions from chemist or shopping for them)
anything else is F R A U D

No quite true it can be used as the family car, providing it is mainly used for the disabled person. There is nothing to stop you doing the school run in it or nipping into town.

daska

woodbine wrote: »

UTTER rubbish there is NO repeat NO % rule,the car has to be used at all times for the purpose of transporting the claimant or on their behalf(e.g collecting prescriptions from chemist or shopping for them)
anything else is F R A U D

This is not the advice that Motability gave me when I rang them. As far as they are concerned, if you need to go out but need to return quickly if there is a problem with the person the car is for then that is sufficient reason for using the car for your own purposes.

And if you ring the DVLA they will tell you to ring Motability...

calleyw

woodbine wrote: »

its nothing to do with the dvla and everything to do with motability(who btw are a charity),as already stated the car has to be used 100% for the benefit of the registered owner(i.e the person whos dla is being used to pay for the car)
the OP should point this out to the person who is attempting to committ FRAUD

Yes it does have something to with the DVLA as who do you thing issues the disable tax disc which is provided with all the cars. Have you ever read the rules.

"The vehicle must only be used for your purposes, for example shopping or getting prescriptions.

If it is being used by the nominee or someone else for their own personal needs, then the exemption will be lost. If you no longer qualify for vehicle tax exemption, you will need to tax your car in the appropriate tax class and pay the correct rate of vehicle tax." THis quote is direct from the DVLA website.


The Tax is only issued on the fact that the car is to be used with and on behalf of the disabled person. And if they feel that the the disc is not being used properly they will take the tax disc away.

And you can no longer tax the car yourself Motability do that for you.

There have been many a thread about it before. And people claim that using the car to go and to from work is a benefit to the disabled person. I fail to see that myself as you can have two nominated drivers. So the disabled person is left at home unable to get of the house because the car has been taken to work.

Motability tell you can it must benefit the disabled person. And I know from previous threads here that someone said have had the car insured for business use. But surely that goes against the rules of the disabled tax disc. I would say the same about using the car to and from work if you are not the disabled person. Not many agree with me.

And OWN I think everyone knew what I was talking about. Was there any need to pick me up on that I left two letters out of word. I thought better of you.

Yours


Calley

Oldernotwiser

calleyw wrote: »

And I know from previous threads here that someone said have had the car insured for business use. But surely that goes against the rules of the disabled tax disc. I would say the same about using the car to and from work if you are not the disabled person. Not many agree with me.

And OWN I think everyone knew what I was talking about. Was there any need to pick me up on that I left two letters out of word. I thought better of you.

Firstly, I can't see why a Motability car can't be insured for business use as plenty of people claiming DLA are at work - it isn't an out of work benefit.

Secondly, if by OWN (!) you meant me, I'm sure that most people on here knew what you meant but some people might not. As the OP and her family seem to come into that category it would seem to be worthwhile being clear whereas suggesting "ask mobility what they say" could well be taken to be a suggestion of contacting the people who are responsible for the mobility (DLA) allowance.

leveller2911

Every post so far just re-enforces how complex Motorbility is , so its not fit for puropse and should either be scrapped or at the very least overhauled.

zzzLazyDaisy

This is fraud, pure and simple.

Your mum risks losing her DLA (either because DLA find out and stop it, or because your brother will get the car and then not give her the DLA money back as promised).

If you have any doubt about whether it is fraud, I suggest that you write to Motability explaining exactly what is being proposed and ask if this is permissable within the Motability rules. You can then show your brother the letter.

calleyw

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Firstly, I can't see why a Motability car can't be insured for business use as plenty of people claiming DLA are at work - it isn't an out of work benefit.

Ok I will make it clearer for you the point I was making. As you seem to have missed it.

I was not taking about the disabled person getting business insurance but nominated drivers getting business insurance. I am well aware that people claiming DLA can work.

The thread was about other people driving the disabled persons car not the disabled person.

I agree with leveller it is no longer a fit for purpose and needs to be changed.

Before my husband got HRM we had a car and I still have the same car. It has never crossed my mind to get him to give up his HRM so I can have new car every three year. As he can no longer drive for various reason. So it would be used by me all the time, going to and from work for my social life, for me to go shopping not just on his behalf etc. I can see no benefit for him if I have the car all the time. As his other nominated driver would not have access to it.

And lets be realistic about it there are number of people who are nominated driver on Motability car on behalf of a disabled family member, and they use it all the time. Even though the nominated driver would have run a car of their own. But why would they when they can have a new car every three year with everything included apart from petrol for £49 something a week.

I believe there needs to be more clarity. As I personally don't class going to and from work as benefiting my husband. As it means he is left at home for long periods of time on his own which causes problems due personal safety issues.

Yours


Calley

Js_Other_Half

OP, is your mother able to manage her own affairs generally? I am wondering from your post if you should be considering going through the legal channels to gain lasting power of attorney < I think it is - am on phone and find it difficult to look these things up>

kazzah60

OP
there is also a more delicate problem here which no-one has addressed and it might be worth raising it with your brother as it might put him off....

I hate to say it- but what if your mother died unexpectedly?
then her mobility benefit dies with her and your brother would need to return the car to motability

you could try and use this as a "bargaining" tool with your brother if the fraud element doesn't work

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leveller2911 wrote: »

Every post so far just re-enforces how complex Motorbility is , so its not fit for puropse and should either be scrapped or at the very least overhauled.

its not complex,its just that some people are trying to infer rules that simply dont exist.its also an excellent scheme for those who can use it,where else can you get a new car,taxed,insured,serviced and repaired for £49 per week?

someone also seems to be confusing the free car tax scheme run by the DVLA with motability,they are 2 different issues