Ed Miliband wins Labour Leadership

marklv

Rainmaker_uk wrote: »

Bye Bye Labour!

With the appointment of Red Ed you have consigned yourselves to the sidelines for the forseeable future.

I hope you enjoy it there with your power hungry union paymasters.

Utter drivel.

PhylPho

Rainmaker_uk wrote: »

Bye Bye Labour! With the appointment of Red Ed you have consigned yourselves to the sidelines for the forseeable future. I hope you enjoy it there with your power hungry union paymasters.

I had little time for Blair and absolutely none at all for Brown. But I had no problem with New Labour and the re-invention of a political party for the purpose of obtaining power. (My own distaste developed when it became clear that too much of government was in service to the perpetuation of that party in power.)

So. . . Having originally welcomed New Labour, I 'm quite happy, too, to welcome Ed Milliband and his attempts to re-shape the party. I'm also prepared not to pre-judge nor scatter premature condemnations of the most witless kind across Internet fora.

The truth is, for democracy to survive in this country, Government must always be checked and balanced by Opposition.

"The Project" of Blair, Mandelson, Brown et al may be sneered at, but at the time it helped provide this country with an Opposition of meaning and, eventually, a Government far fresher than a Tory administration past its sell-by date.

Whether New-New-Labour can be shaped by Ed Milliband into an effective reasoning Opposition, I don't know. But as that's exactly what we need -- because it's what we've always needed -- then I wish him well.

Those who glibly post on here about how Labour has (in effect) signed yet another suicide note seem concomitantly to be overjoyed at the prospect of complete and enduring power by the current administration when no such state of affairs is either desirable nor commendable.

Perhaps if they thought first and wrote afterwards they'd realise that?

marklv

Thrugelmir wrote: »

More of the same? New Labour is dead. Ed Milliband will rapidly bury it and as his victors speech yesterday demonstrated will distance himself from it as fast as he can.

This is a New Beginning for the Labour party........where will it end though?

Labour needs to recapture its roots and become a people's party once again. That does not mean turning to the far-left nonsense of Michael Foot, and if you believe Ed Miliband is a new Foot you are very much mistaken. Ed Miliband is a pragmatist. The reason he came across as slightly more leftist than his brother is because he knew that a lot of people are fed up with Blairism and 'New Labour'. He managed to read the feelings of union members better than David Miliband.
The left wing candidate was Abbott, not Ed Miliband. Where will it end? At Downing Street, of course.

Masomnia

StevieJ wrote: »

Funny you should say that, in Tesco a jar of Decaf 200g was £5.13, a jar of same make 100g was £2.20. Question, do they do that on purpose and is there is some clever marketing technique at work ? or is it a !!!!-up?

http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/Shopping/FindProducts.aspx?Query=coffee&SortBy=3

I've noticed tesco do it on a few things, rice as well. It's cheaper to buy three 1kg bags than one 3kg... cheeky b@stards. One reason I refuse to shop there unless I can help it.

Rainmaker_uk

PhylPho wrote: »

I had little time for Blair and absolutely none at all for Brown. But I had no problem with New Labour and the re-invention of a political party for the purpose of obtaining power. (My own distaste developed when it became clear that too much of government was in service to the perpetuation of that party in power.)

So. . . Having originally welcomed New Labour, I 'm quite happy, too, to welcome Ed Milliband and his attempts to re-shape the party. I'm also prepared not to pre-judge nor scatter premature condemnations of the most witless kind across Internet fora.

The truth is, for democracy to survive in this country, Government must always be checked and balanced by Opposition.

"The Project" of Blair, Mandelson, Brown et al may be sneered at, but at the time it helped provide this country with an Opposition of meaning and, eventually, a Government far fresher than a Tory administration past its sell-by date.

Whether New-New-Labour can be shaped by Ed Milliband into an effective reasoning Opposition, I don't know. But as that's exactly what we need -- because it's what we've always needed -- then I wish him well.

Those who glibly post on here about how Labour has (in effect) signed yet another suicide note seem concomitantly to be overjoyed at the prospect of complete and enduring power by the current administration when no such state of affairs is either desirable nor commendable.

Perhaps if they thought first and wrote afterwards they'd realise that?

Wow - so many words to say nothing - you should be a politician :rotfl:

leveller2911

Kohoutek wrote: »

So what? So has Cameron mate.

When you're supposed to be a candidate for running the country, experience is far more important than your degree classification.

Ed's CV:

Oxford
Harvard
Harriet Harman's speechwriter
Gordon Brown's speechwriter
MP for Doncaster North
Energy Minister (briefly, achievements?)

Why can political parties select people that have had a life outside politics? Cameron and the other Labour candidates are not much better in that respect, but the idea of Ed Milliband being qualified to run the country with his experience is absurd.

Agree and would also say that both Ed and Dave were part of the last Labour cabinet. My question to each of them would be "Given the faults of the previous Government you both now highlight, !!!!!! did you serve in the cabinet in the first place?...Is it total lack of dogs danglies ? or like Nearlynew suggests your just "lying f*cking thieves"?...

Hypocrites the lot of them but it is a double edged sword as Nu Labour in the wilderness there won't be a strong opposition to keep the Tories in line so I think we all lose in the end.. Nu Labour are dead n buried and Professional Politicians are a recipe for disaster IMO.

leveller2911

CLAPTON wrote: »

very unfashionable to say this but pay peanuts get monkeys

one of the biggest reasons that no-one who has been reasonably successful in 'ordinary life' will stand for parliment, is that the pay and conditions are just not very good to justify the mindless personal attacks and short career prospects.

Oh I don't know Tony Blair deems to be doing very well now, books, speeches,personal appearances etc... Was it £15 million he's made?..

blueboy43

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Looking back with hindsight you could say the LibDems (all originally labour party members) split away ahead of their time.

Ed Milliband was an economic advisor to Mr Brown in the previous Government. So is in for a rocky ride. As he will find it difficult to admit to mistakes that he was centrally party too.

The LibDems are not all originally Labour party members. It was a merger between the Liberals and SDP.

Ahead of their time, yes - but basically the SDP was closer to the current Labour party than anything (bar David Owen). They supported a strong private sector and public sector and opposed the trashing of the NHS under Thatcher. The Labour party has moved hugely to the right since the early 80's and the new leader is more a case of 1 step left after 20 steps right.

It's hardly any surprise that the people left who are ex SDP members are the least comfortable with the coalitions policies (Vince Cable & Shirley Williams), when the coalition economic policies are to the right of Thatchers policies of the early 1980's.
It's becoming almost painful to watch Vince Cable - who is destined to die a thousand deaths before his inevitable exit from the government.
You do wonder if he wishes he had stayed with Labour and helped Kinnock rout militant and the trotskyite wing.

I find it almost laughable to think that the Lib-Dems will be claiming the middle ground. Their vote will be decimated in the short term, and for a party who relies on highly motivated local activists & regional power bases, they should be really worried.

The death of New Labour ?, well certainly Ed Miliband will want to distance himself from Blair (Iraq) and Brown (Economy - pretty difficult, although he will be best advised to say that Alistair Darling was on the right path), but its hardly a return to Clause 4 and the barmpot policies of the past.

Anyone who thinks Labour has no chance should look at the odds on Betfair for the next election. Favourites, no, but no long shot either.

ukcarper

GeneHunt wrote: »

It "was" a possibility. Lib Dem voters are not going to flock to a Labour Party that has moved to the left.

I will (if I had wanting a right wing party I would have voted Tory not for a party positioning itself to the left of the Labour Party)

amcluesent

Ed Miliband's policies

TAX
Wants to increase tax on the rich, keep 50 per cent top rate permanently and impose a new £5 billion a year tax on banks.

ECONOMY
Backs a "responsible" opposition to coalition cuts, and wants more emphasis on tax rises. Backs creation of a "living wage" of £7.60 an hour, as a minimum. Wants government to actively encourage growth industries.

FOREIGN/DEFENCE
Says UK should not automatically follow the US path on global affairs, and that Labour should no longer defend Iraq war decision. Believes Afghanistan "cannot be a war without end" and that negotiations must begin with the Taleban in Afghanistan.

ENVIRONMENT
Wants international binding climate emissions cuts and a Green investment bank.

LAW and ORDER
Backs plans to replace jail with community sentences

FACT - Truly in thrall to international Marxism.