Useless jobs still being recruited for in the civil service

olly300

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Positive discrimination is, and always has been, unlawful.

How comes disabled people are always guaranteed and interview if they apply for certain government agency and local government jobs?

I am aware you are allowed to discriminate positively for disabled people but on no other grounds.

Hence Harriet Harman and her stance on the equality bill where she claimed that this would allow primary schools to discriminate to get in male teachers. (Which I've been told they do anyway but not blatantly.)

jamespmg44

Pete111 wrote: »

Isn't a preference for/tolerance of kiddy fiddling a prerequiste for certain vocations?

Can't think which ones in particular but on a wholly separate note I see that the pope has landed today.

Disgusting post.

Hope you enjoy your tax £ paying for the Holy Father's visit.

marklv

bendix wrote: »

I'd be interested to hear about marklv's credentials. I seem to recall him saying sometime ago that he comes from a solidly middle-class homeowning family. I wonder how close HE has been to the council estate whose collective mentality he professes to represent.

Caveat - he is, of course, talking only of representing the views of white council estate tenants. Where i currently live, the vast majority of council tenants are from the immigrant class he despises. I'm sure he doesn't reflect their views.

I come from a lower-middle class background; homeowning but never on a high income and a comprehensive school education instead of independent schooling. I had all the toys I needed in the simpler days of the 1970s (Chopper bike etc) and I had two hot meals a day. No foreign holidays then, more like self-catering in Devon. Does that make me 'solidly middle class'? Hardly, I would think.

marklv

FTBFun wrote: »

You may think your views are set in the real world, but you couldn't be further from the truth IMO. It was self determination combined with a naughty chap from Austria which brought the Empire to an end, not the whim of an historically isolationist USA.

BTW like bendix, I was also brought up on a council estate, until I was 12. We haven't all obtained chips on our shoulders since.

The naughty chap from Austria did not declare war on us, it was viceversa. He could have been ignored as long as he looked eastwards. Poland could never be defended from the west of Germany; it was just a pretext to go to war.

Generali

marklv wrote: »

I come from a lower-middle class background; homeowning but never on a high income and a comprehensive school education instead of independent schooling. I had all the toys I needed in the simpler days of the 1970s (Chopper bike etc) and I had two hot meals a day. No foreign holidays then, more like self-catering in Devon. Does that make me 'solidly middle class'? Hardly, I would think.

That sounds 'solidly middle class' to me. Home owning, lots of toys and a holiday every year.

I would describe my upbringing as middle class and we had several years where we only had a holiday because Padre Generali's capo lent us his holiday home so we had a free holiday and despite being a cycling nut, I never had a new bike until I was 14 and I managed to save up from my 2 jobs I had at the time.

olly300

marklv wrote: »

I come from a lower-middle class background; homeowning but never on a high income and a comprehensive school education instead of independent schooling. I had all the toys I needed in the simpler days of the 1970s (Chopper bike etc) and I had two hot meals a day. No foreign holidays then, more like self-catering in Devon. Does that make me 'solidly middle class'? Hardly, I would think.

Yes it does.

Working class people on the whole rented.

Most people in the 70s didn't go on holiday aboard regardless of class especially children.

And working class people were lucky to get a holiday anywhere.

One thing people still get confused is that your class isn't related to your income.

leveller2911

marklv wrote: »

I come from a lower-middle class background; homeowning but never on a high income and a comprehensive school education instead of independent schooling. I had all the toys I needed in the simpler days of the 1970s (Chopper bike etc) and I had two hot meals a day. No foreign holidays then, more like self-catering in Devon. Does that make me 'solidly middle class'? Hardly, I would think.

Blimey you had it easy, my 1st weekend away was when I was 20 let alone a week.Born on a Council estate and 41 years later ive moved up to Housing Association,lol.........and you had a "Chopper " bike, my father would source ours from skips and "do them up" at night whilst we were in bed asleep......Jeez your a toff Mark.....:D

Getting a bit like the "Secret Policemans Ball" now.

marklv

olly300 wrote: »

Yes it does.

Working class people on the whole rented.

Most people in the 70s didn't go on holiday aboard regardless of class especially children.

And working class people were lucky to get a holiday anywhere.

One thing people still get confused is that your class isn't related to your income.

One of next door neighbours was a paramedic and his wife didn't work. They were homeowners. Maybe they had a lot of help from relatives, but they were still homeowners - 3 bed semi, built in 1967.
Our other neighbour was a BBC radio journalist, so very middle class, but even so........

marklv

ninky wrote: »

he is not a partner. he is head of marketing.

delegation and bs don't take up too much time.

That figures. Marketing people are full of BS, they practice the art of BS as expertly as anyone possibly can. The result is all too apparent on this forum!

IT people like myself actually add value to a business, on the other hand.

ninky_2

i can't believe what this has generated into.....a competition for who had the most deprived background (any advance on no new bike until the age of 14?) and who's job makes them a more worthwhile person. in the red corner IT...in the blue corner marketing, hmm.

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