Useless jobs still being recruited for in the civil service

neverdespairgirl

Yes, disability is an exception, you are right.

Pete111

jamespmg44 wrote: »

Disgusting post.

Hope you enjoy your tax £ paying for the Holy Father's visit.

So sorry you are entirely right. It's my post thats disgusting.

Not the rampant child abuse and the institutionalised cover ups, that's merely 'unfortunate' right?

:mad:

Oh and for the record I know my father pretty well - I can assure you he isn't some bloke in a dress who travels by motorised conservatory..

julieq

marklv wrote: »

Madness is close to genius, is it not? Mad or not, I'm quite right. WW2 was utterly unnecessary.

Depends what value you place on Jewish lives really.

And here was me thinking that Sibley's Thai bride revelation was going to be the worst judged post of 2010. Shows what I know.

Generali

marklv wrote: »

Madness is close to genius, is it not? Mad or not, I'm quite right. WW2 was utterly unnecessary.

If your point is that WW2 wasn't about Jewish people then you are right. What happened to Jewish people before and during WW2 was horrible and terrible but it wasn't the reason the war was fought.

If your point is that France, Britain, the USSR, various Empire/Commonwealth countries and the USA shouldn't have fought a Fascist land grab then you are wrong IMO.

blueboy43

olly300 wrote: »

And working class people were lucky to get a holiday anywhere.

In the 1970's ?

The growth of places like Blackpool & Morecambe would suggest otherwise.

Cotton Mills in Lancashire had "Wakes week" were all would shut down at the same time in the same town.

The potteries had "potters" week similarly.

I doubt the like of Butlins and Pontins were frequented by Telegraph & Guardian readers. When we went to Pontins, us kids were in either the "Embassy" or "Castella" team.
You may guess this was a few years ago!

blueboy43

Generali wrote: »

That sounds 'solidly middle class' to me. Home owning, lots of toys and a holiday every year.

I would describe my upbringing as middle class and we had several years where we only had a holiday because Padre Generali's capo lent us his holiday home so we had a free holiday and despite being a cycling nut, I never had a new bike until I was 14 and I managed to save up from my 2 jobs I had at the time.

Co-incidently the Raleigh Chopper was mentioned on R4 on saturday morning.

£35 new in 1970 - which seems a huge sum bearing in mind weekly wage was close to £30 (for a man).

marklv

julieq wrote: »

Depends what value you place on Jewish lives really.

And here was me thinking that Sibley's Thai bride revelation was going to be the worst judged post of 2010. Shows what I know.

The war wasn't fought to save the Jews. Would the British and French heads of government have risked hundreds of thousands of lives of their own citizens to save the Jews? I doubt it. In that case isolation and economic sanctions would have sufficed as a stick with which to beat the Nazi government. No, the world war was started by the British and French leaders because they were paranoid about German expansionism and did not feel they could hold Hitler to any diplomatic agreement. It was essential a reaction of fear rather than logic. Hitler himself had no interest in the west - his aim was always the east and creating 'living space' there. As for the Jews, enlarging the war by involving the west merely placed more of them at the tender mercies of the SS. The ones in the east were doomed anyway and no western power could do anything to rescue them, for obvious geographical reasons.

marklv

blueboy43 wrote: »

Co-incidently the Raleigh Chopper was mentioned on R4 on saturday morning.

£35 new in 1970 - which seems a huge sum bearing in mind weekly wage was close to £30 (for a man).

So what's your point? I was born when my parents were already middle aged and had paid off nearly all the mortgage. It doesn't make them well off.

My father drove a Ford Anglia, and then an Escort following that one. Hardly impressive vehicles!

Malcolm.

marklv wrote: »

The war wasn't fought to save the Jews. Would the British and French heads of government have risked hundreds of thousands of lives of their own citizens to save the Jews? I doubt it. In that case isolation and economic sanctions would have sufficed as a stick with which to beat the Nazi government. No, the world war was started by the British and French leaders because they were paranoid about German expansionism and did not feel they could hold Hitler to any diplomatic agreement. It was essential a reaction of fear rather than logic. Hitler himself had no interest in the west - his aim was always the east and creating 'living space' there. As for the Jews, enlarging the war by involving the west merely placed more of them at the tender mercies of the SS. The ones in the east were doomed anyway and no western power could do anything to rescue them, for obvious geographical reasons.

"You (the Germans) started it, you invaded Poland."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

marklv

Generali wrote: »

If your point is that WW2 wasn't about Jewish people then you are right. What happened to Jewish people before and during WW2 was horrible and terrible but it wasn't the reason the war was fought.

If your point is that France, Britain, the USSR, various Empire/Commonwealth countries and the USA shouldn't have fought a Fascist land grab then you are wrong IMO.

Well, if they had fought the 'Fascist land grab' in 1938 when the Germans were much weaker, millions of lives would have been saved and Hitler would have been dead in weeks. Instead they decided on appeasement, only to change their minds a year later. Inconsistency and lack of direction played right into Hitler's hands.