Seven million now live in households where no one works - The DM

ILW

Mayne their thoughts were in the right place, but they did end up creating a whole benefits driven underclass along with a middle class that were also receiving benefits.

ninky_2

ILW wrote: »

Mayne their thoughts were in the right place, but they did end up creating a whole benefits driven underclass along with a middle class that were also receiving benefits.

i disagree. there was a benefits driven underclass under the tories. what has really increased the numbers is the decrease in stable permanent and full time employment for people in trades and lower paid jobs.

SingleSue

Just a point of note, you can be physically disabled (I say physically because this was brought up, it is indeed the same for a mental disability), be in receipt of Disability living allowance and still be working. The receipt of DLA does not mean that you are not working.

As for poverty, my children ask if we are living in poverty and I say no. The reason being is to me, poverty is not having a roof over your head, food in your belly, clothes on your back and warmth in the cold rather than the purely material things (PS3's, televisions etc).

Butterfly_Brain

Coeus wrote: »

I like the balance of opposing views on this forum.

I don't agree with the benefits system as it is. I do not claim to have perfect knowledge of how the system works but generational unemployment is completely intolerable.

Everyone in society is able to contribute in one way or another unless SEVERELY disabled. I do not understand why those with physical disabilities on benefits do not work in basic data processing (call centres for example). Even those who worked in a different industry can be retrained to do basic data entry!

BECAUSE MOST OF THE CALL CENTRES ARE IN BLOODY INDIA !

A lot of disabled people have the embarrassment of being incontinent and some have double incontinence and who will help them with their toilet needs????????? YOU??????

Butterfly_Brain

I take it a lot of the knockers have never been out of work - Imagine you are and look in the job section of your local papers - Then tell me that there are jobs there that you could do if you lost your job tomorrow.(don't bother with the job centre they are carp! That is after you have made an appointment by phone and are then escorted by security guards to speak to someone all for a pittance)
You might get an interview, you might not ever hear - try it and see
It is easy to knock people on benefits, but what if you are ever in the same situation eh?

Percy1983

The point is I along with many other wouldn't like to be on benefits, but if we did end up there we would do everything we could to get off them and I wouldn't expect the government to buy me a new TV while I wasn't in work, I wouldn't expect any 'spare' money after I have paid my living expenses.

In basic terms if you if the benefits are cut down and I end up out of work yes it will be an inconvenience, but its my problem and I don't expect my life to carry on as normal while other people pay for it. Meanwhile the 'not willing to work' brigade might actually get up and do something.

chucknorris

When I was 24 I was involved in a serious road accident that resulted in me suffering (very serious) compound fractures to my left arm (radius and ulna) and right leg (femur) that took me 4 years to recover from. At that stage (or a few months prior) I had to make a decision, do I sit back and milk the benefits system (as a registered disabled person) with my leg and arm problems (I did not recover 100%, but not that far short of it) or find something else (I could no longer work as an electrician). I went back into education as a mature student and got a first class honours degree in quantity surveying and never looked back. I could have never worked again but I did not want to lower my sights that low in life.

Obviously I have sympathy with those who genuinely cannot work, but there are plenty that could though.

kabayiri

Industrial National Service.

That's what we need.

An Industrial equivalent to the old National Service our parents had to go through (or their parents). It was never perfect but it gave people a common bond.

olly300

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

I take it a lot of the knockers have never been out of work - Imagine you are and look in the job section of your local papers - Then tell me that there are jobs there that you could do if you lost your job tomorrow.(don't bother with the job centre they are carp! That is after you have made an appointment by phone and are then escorted by security guards to speak to someone all for a pittance)
You might get an interview, you might not ever hear - try it and see
It is easy to knock people on benefits, but what if you are ever in the same situation eh?

If you are relying on using hard copies of local or national newspapers to find a job then it's not surprising people are out of work.

Every single job I have in the past 11 years has been sourced by the internet. Some newpapers advertised jobs in the job section of their website but not in hard copy.

Plus talking to my nephews', young brothers' and friends about the shop jobs and other low skilled jobs they do or have done, they have always had to apply online. Even if they have asked in the shop or seen an advert some where they are always directed to somewhere on the internet.

Coeus

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

BECAUSE MOST OF THE CALL CENTRES ARE IN BLOODY INDIA !

A lot of disabled people have the embarrassment of being incontinent and some have double incontinence and who will help them with their toilet needs????????? YOU??????

Butterfly Brain try to look at this objectively. The call centre was a single example of a data processing job which itself is not the limiting career of those with physical disabilities.

Also I work in the finance sector and have no experience with social services. I am not qualified to work with disabled people. I expect an argument that this warrants not being able to work. I disagree with this as regardless of whether help is required (and thus provided by social services at home or work) the end facilities required are usually the same. This is becoming more truthful with disability requirements in new builds.

Everyone in life has hurdles. Granted some are more 'extreme' than others, but everything is relative. What facilities are necessary should be granted to these individuals as well as the 'free' NHS services that everyone is entitled to.

Regardless embarrassment is not a reasonable excuse not to work, in my own opinion. Even then options are available (especially with the advent of internet servicing) to work at home albeit in the relatively slimmer number of cases.