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Fake beggar earns £23,000 a year

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  • michaels
    michaels Posts: 29,108 Forumite
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    I love this forum - saves me buying the daily mail :(
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  • A._Badger
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    Neilhmtn wrote: »
    Even if he made the maximum amount on weekdays and at weekends as described above, for an entire year, and including the incapacity benefit, it still doesn't come to £27,000 per annum.

    Sensationalist newspaper arithmetic fail, again.

    Oh, that's all right then. Give him a medal, shall we?
  • StevieJ
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    michaels wrote: »
    I love this forum - saves me buying the daily mail :(

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  • Generali
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    edited 3 September 2010 at 1:45AM
    I met a student in the early-90s that used to travel from Kent up to the West End on the train to beg as he reckoned he made more doing that than from doing a bar job or something. He was a bit weird TBH.

    I knew another bloke that became a heroin addict and went round Germany begging and busking to support his habit. My mate (very old-fashioned Tory landowner/huntin', shootin', fishin' type) found him living under a bush, sorted him out financially, gave him a roof over his head and helped him get clean.

    I think you can make ok money begging compared to doing an minimum wage job but it comes at the cost of a lot of pride.

    I don't really know why people get on the case of beggars. If you don't want to give them money, don't give. If you don't give there will be fewer beggars as it won't be worth their while.

    The only time it bothers me is when people are aggressive about it but that's the same in any situation and IME very, very few beggars are aggressive.
  • Masomnia
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    edited 3 September 2010 at 3:30AM
    Neilhmtn wrote: »
    Even if he made the maximum amount on weekdays and at weekends as described above, for an entire year, and including the incapacity benefit, it still doesn't come to £27,000 per annum.

    Sensationalist newspaper arithmetic fail, again.

    Not necessarilly. It might add up to less than £27k, but that is all tax free income. If you had a salary of £27,000 you wouldn't be taking home as much as this fella after tax.
    “I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse
  • B33fy
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    edited 3 September 2010 at 8:00AM
    Neilhmtn wrote: »
    Even if he made the maximum amount on weekdays and at weekends as described above, for an entire year, and including the incapacity benefit, it still doesn't come to £27,000 per annum.

    Sensationalist newspaper arithmetic fail, again.

    I assumed it meant £100 on a Saturday and £100 on a Sunday so its £250/wk for weekdays, £200/wk for weekends, assuming no holidays thats 52 x £450 = £23,400 plus £4000 benefits = £27,400/annum, so for once I think the maths is correct!
  • Generali
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    B33fy wrote: »
    I assumed it meant £100 on a Saturday and £100 on a Sunday so its £250/wk for weekdays, £200/wk for weekends, assuming no holidays thats 52 x £450 = £23,400 plus £4000 benefits = £27,400/annum, so for once I think the maths is correct!

    If he's sitting out in the street 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year he probably deserves at least £27,000! At least he's doing something to make some money rather than watching daytime TV.
  • Really2
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    If he begs for money how is he a fake beggar?
  • Generali wrote: »
    If he's sitting out in the street 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year he probably deserves at least £27,000! At least he's doing something to make some money rather than watching daytime TV.

    Begging would be less embarrassing than watching daytime yv
  • Generali
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    If you get money for begging is it actually an income? I reckon it's more like a series of gifts from passers by.

    If this is a job where the beggar has an undeclared income then he should be prosecuted by the Inland Revenue.

    I guess it's yet another example of the Government coming down hard on benefit fraudsters but letting the tax fraudsters get away with it.
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