£70 Parking Fine in non P&D Car Park

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bluelagoon wrote: »

Here you go Looby75

http://www16.redstation.co.uk/relt631608/21010803.PDF
http://www16.redstation.co.uk/relt631608/21010804.PDF
http://www16.redstation.co.uk/relt631608/21010805.PDF

Without checking with the respective courts, those judgment templates do not look genuine to me. I will stand corrected after checking with the courts and asking for official copies of the judgment. Will post back here.

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bluelagoon wrote: »

I already have posted them. They're not default judgements, they are cases that have gone to Court, been defended, and the defendant has lost.

By Litigants in person. No legal argument. No reference to the law in the judgments. Some obvious errors in the judgments. Not convinced. Which is the originating court where the claim form was issued.

This wouldn't stand up in court if lawyers were involved. I would like to see the legal argument. As long as it is not local authority or regulated (my word) parking then it is straightforward contract law, in my opinion.

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bluelagoon wrote: »

I already have posted them. They're not default judgements, they are cases that have gone to Court, been defended, and the defendant has lost.

Humour me. Post the Particulars of Claim here please. Let's see what your cause or causes of action is/are.

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MarkyMarkD wrote: »

(1) PERJURE yourself in court by claiming that you weren't the driver and therefore you have no liability? or
(2) ADMIT that you were the driver and therefore are liable to pay up?.

Erm, or you could say in your defence "The Defendant neither admits nor denies that he was the driver as alleged or at all and requires the Claimant to prove the same."

taxiphil

The claims weren't defended properly, and were barely defended at all in some cases. If you don't challenge things, the judge won't challenge them for you.

I notice they're all claims by our old friend Perky - users of CAG and Pepipoo will be more than familiar with him.

peter_the_piper

I was hoping for something fresh but all we got was recycled court cases from months ago. Surely there's something more recent?

bluelagoon_3

taxiphil wrote: »

I've never seen any evidence of such a case ever having succeeded in a court.

Well you have now.

It doesn't appear that you ever looked for any evidence in the first place.

Before employing this system in our car park the first thing I did was a bit of research to see if it was enforceable.

frank_potter

taxiphil wrote: »

The claims weren't defended properly, and were barely defended at all in some cases. If you don't challenge things, the judge won't challenge them for you.

I notice they're all claims by our old friend Perky - users of CAG and Pepipoo will be more than familiar with him.

Thought I remembered one of the quoted cases from somewhere!

Hardly in the interests of money saving or of the consumer to only quote the same inadequately defended cases over and over again.

bluelagoon_3

peter_the_piper wrote: »

I was hoping for something fresh but all we got was recycled court cases from months ago. Surely there's something more recent?

More recent? They're all less than 16 weeks old.

The Harrogate judgement was only approved by the judge on 11th January!

taxiphil

bluelagoon wrote: »

Well you have now.

It doesn't appear that you ever looked for any evidence in the first place.

Before employing this system in our car park the first thing I did was a bit of research to see if it was enforceable.

Those PDFs weren't in the public domain until you uploaded them this evening, so how would I have known about them?

Nothing for you to feel smug about. There are dozens of cases on Pepipoo where it went the other way.

Perky might have had 3 judgements in his favour against inadequate/incomplete defences - but I wonder how many cases he's lost?