Tent thread

dopester

I'm slowly making my way through all the latest posts on this thread (about 3 new pages since I last opened this thread).... and some great contributions.

This landlord, after how she went about getting Carmen Nobre to leave her home, is still campaigning, having "looked at it from all sides" (lol).

Special thanks to lily (great chronology post + other contributions) and to ariarnia and pinksleepybear for engaging The Argus web-story person in defence of logical positions by email.

BTW - Suzy Butler, her facebook posting about charging a £15 per day late fee... in high-definition. I used a video record program to record what she had posted on facebook about that. High definition.

You can even click a button (see the big red arrow) to expand the video - and see it perfectly. Whilst video recording I had the foresight to click for "view-page-info" in my browser, to absolutely prove the source was facebook.com in the video.. and Suzy Carlita Butler's facebook account.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_ACIW_IXs&fmt=22

Have some of that Jo/Argus. You championing what the tenant went through and arrears which are heavily built up from £15 per day penalties?

pinksleepybear

dopester has pointed out that it's unfair to publish Jo's email address. It was originally my fault and I have removed it from my post, but a lot of you have then quoted that post. Please could you edit your posts to remove Jo's email address? I know I got a lot of spam when mine was published on a different forum once.

SouthCoast

The Argus readers comments are running true to form:

You've got it in a nutshell. If only the Argus had reporters who could write with your clarity, taking into account background research and less pandering to the headline-grabbing efforts of the "homeless landlady".

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/8364301.Hove_mother_will_fight_for_landlords__rights/

john539

Do the 2 months rent arrears coincide with when the landlord returned from Peru and possibly tried to regain possession ?

Is there anything written in the AST which says tenant was supposed to leave after 2months ?

The tenant may have been as confused as the landlord about her rights & responsibilities, where she stood, whether she should still pay rent when landlord was turning up every 5 minutes demanding she leave.

RAS

Let's take this apart?

tbs624 wrote: »

Watch that article disappear in to the ether......along with this from the FB page

Suzy Carlita Butler Like I said previously...I was hoping to relocate to Spain which is... why i extended the contract to ensure it didn't terminate whilst abroard!

So the plan in May was to move to Spain?

Apart from the ignorance of how an AST becomes periodic at the end of the AST.

We were launching a charity campaign out there. Hence why I didn't issue a sec 21!

So the plan was to stay in Spain?

So she has not got a first clue about the function on a Section 21 notice.

The section 8 is the accelarted way to get your home back.

Not if you have correctly issued a valid section 21 notice. And anyway, if you want to accelarate the case, issue the S8 as soon as the tenant is two months in arrears.

My child starts school next week. That was my priority.

Given how hard schooling is to organise, this must have been arranged before she went to Peru? How does this tally with the plan to relocate to Spain and the "squatter" who prevent her son starting a new life in Spain?

RAS

Few notes on timeline

lily_livered wrote: »

6th February: Start of tenancy. Appears no Section 21 notice issued?
Sometime mid/late May: Suzy must have been in England? Where did the homeless landlord sleep during this visit?
25th May: Contract extended to add 6th July - 5th August.
No Section 21 notice issued
6th June: Alleged first missed rent payment (for the period 6th June - 5th July).
6th July: Alleged second missed rent payment (for the period 6th July - 5th August).
7th July: A section 8 should have been served on second missed payment but wasn't.
Not clear when Suzy returned to England but probably prior to July 27?
28th July: "Letter for tenant for eviction" asking tenant to vacate within 5 days.
5th August: Suzy removes a tent and mattress from the house. The police are called.
5th August: End of the contract extension.
6th August: Alleged third missed rent payment (for the period 6th August - 5th September).
6th August: Section 8 notice served (a month later than it could have been).
7th August: Argus article "Hove mum faces sleeping tent after "squatters" take over home" appears.
So at this stage Suzy MAY have to sleep in the tent some time in the future. It does not say she is living in a tent.
9th August: Metro article "Woman forced to live in a tent after squatter takes over house" appears.
In two days she has been FORCED to live in a tent.
10th August: Campaign mentioned on jeremypdunmore's twitter.
10th August: Suzy on BBC South East Today, Tessa appears too.
11th August: Suzy is on GMTV. w
11th August: Suzy is on ITV news 6.30pm.
12th August: Suzy is on GMTV, for the follow up report.
12th August: Suzy is on Radio 5.
13th August: Suzy is on GMTV, for the second follow up report, live on the sofa.
13th August: Tenant moves out, landlord moves in.
13th August: ITV Meridian Tonight reporting Suzy is back in the house.
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mynameisdave

In answer to "where did she sleep"

At her mothers in Newhaven. Its quite a big house, it seems. Although, I may be getting this confused with where she stayed when she got back from Spain. Either way it was for a period of 3 weeks)

In answer to "when did she return"

I seem to recall from the open facebook profile that it was apparent there were still posts to suggest she was in Spain late June, how much longer after that I do not know.

Re the tent.


Yes, The Argus reported on 7 August that police weere called to the propert on Thursday (5 August) to assist a homeowner going into her property to retrieve a tent.

By 13 August, she was back in her house. That we are expected to believe she was slumming it in a tent in a friends back garden for a period less than people to chose to go on camping holidays for, and probably had much better facilities while doing so, is quite frankly ludicrously offensive.

"2-3 nights a week in the tent" when interviewed by GMTV - that story appeared on 11 August so we can assume safely that it was filmed latest 10th of August. 2-3 nights a week in a tent you've had for 5 days?

My heart bleeds.

(incidently, the first you tube video has been removed. Looks like some wah wah wahing has been going on to them too - dont you love it when people put themselves on ap edistoll and cant take the slack that comes from it)

Pepzofio

She also said in one of the interviews (I think it was the first GMTV one) that she was planning on sleeping in the tent in order to spend some quality time with her son, as up until then they'd been staying in different friends' houses because nobody could put them both up...? How much extra space does a four year old take up !!!!!!?

As for the school thing - I just checked the Brighton & Hove Admissions Guide and she would have submitted her preference form by 5th February and received confirmation of a school place by 5th May (IF she followed correct procedure of course!) so I don't think the school thing comes into it.

Unless someone had grassed her up for falsely claiming to live within catchment/close to the school of course... A suspicious mind might raise an eyebrow at the tenancy start date being conveniently one day after the admissions deadline...

mynameisdave

So she was living in the property when she submitted her preference the deadline was the day before the tenant started and she was out of it and on the way to Peru?

Pepzofio

That's about the gist of it, yes.

According to the guidelines, you only have to notify them of a change of address if it occurs before the submission deadline for preference forms, or if you want them to use your new address when deciding which school place you are allocated. But it then goes on to say

If a family has a residence in Brighton & Hove and temporarily lives elsewhere (for example, a temporary job out-of-area, or abroad), the School Admissions Team may seek evidence of residence at both addresses, and evidence that you will be returning to the area.