Tent thread

dopester

Chris55 wrote: »

I never got to read the original thread fully before it disappeared so I hadn't realised who her Dad was! The "legendary Frank Butler" (as it calls him in http://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/the-mortgage-mole/86685.article), founder of the sub-prime lender Mortgages PLC (subsequently bought by Merrill Lynch). He bought her a flat in Peru http://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/the-angel-of-the-incas-buys-a-flat/79081.article . Apologies if this is all old news.

Wow. Quality research and a good find Chris.

Hope you're really proud at the way your daughter got possession of the house Frank, from a lawful tenant, not a squatter.

kittiej

Thanks Chris!

This is exactly what i meant in an earlier post when I asked if anyone knew about the 'Butler family'

I just knew there would be something lurking there.

Now what do we think about Carmen's situation? 'Supported'?

Wee_Willy_Harris

dopester wrote: »

Wow. Quality research and a good find Chris.

Hope you're really proud at the way your daughter got possession of the house Frank, from a lawful tenant, not a squatter.

NO, NO, NO. His full title is "The legendary Frank Butler", or "The Angel of the Incas".

lily_livered

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

Interesting. Can't see this little gem staying up for long.


Suzy Carlita Butler:
Hi Nicola,
Thanks for your q's and comments.
Just a quick clarification, Carmen paid me 3 and a half months of the 6 month rental period plus a deposit of 1 month (which is still in the deposit protection scheme). By the time she finally lef...t, she owed me over £4,000 which I will unlikely ever see. She was presented a section 8 on the day the 6 month rental period ended. But for much time previous to this she was saying she would not be leaving or able to pay me. I extended her contract by 1 month in May, just before me and my son went to Spain where we were scouting for a rental property and school for him to relocate as we were launching a fundraising office for the charity i MD in Malaga. At the time, Carmen had been a great tenant, we got on well and she had not missed payments at this stage. June/July and August were unpaid. We needed to sign the extension in May as I would have been abroard when the original agreement ended.
I hope that helps a little.
The simple fact is. It is morally wrong for someone to be legally able to not pay you rent and refuse to leave your home breaching the contract and causing much upset. All we want to do is find a way encourage the law to evict more swiftly.
Have a great weekend, despite this weather!!

Putting these claims into the dairy we get:

Period of tenancy 6th-5th, rent 1,235 pcm, 40.60 per day.

Diary:
6th February: Start of tenancy.
25th May: Contract extended to add 6th July - 5th August.
6th June: Alleged first missed rent payment (for the period 6th June - 5th July)
6th July: Alleged second missed rent payment (for the period 6th July - 5th August).
6th July: A section 8 should have been served on second missed payment but but wasn't.
28th July: Illegal letter for tenant eviction asking tenant to vacate within 5 days,
5th August: End of the contract extension.
5th August: Suzy removes a tent and mattress from the house. The police are called.
6th August: Alleged third missed rent payment (for the period 6th August - 5th September).
6th August: Section 8 notice served a month late.
7th August: Argus article "Hove mum faces sleeping tent after "squatters" take over home" appears.
9th August: Metro article "Woman forced to live in a tent after squatter takes over house" appears.
10th August: Suzy on BBC South East Today, Tessa appears too.
10th August: Campaign mentioned on jeremypdunmore's twitter.
11th August: Suzy is on GMTV.
11th August: Suzy is on ITV news 6.30pm.
12th August: Suzy is on GMTV, for the follow up report (includes a few words from Jeremy).
12th August: Suzy is on Radio 5.
13th August: Suzy is on GMTV, for the second follow up report, live on the sofa.
13th August: ITV Meridian Tonight reporting Suzy is back in the house.
13th August: Tenant moves out, landlord moves in. End of tenant's rent liability.

So:

1. Suzy served the Section 8 notice a month late and yet now wants to "encourage the law to evict more swiftly".

2. Suzy claims the tenant owes "over £4,000", yet by her own dates says it's owed from 6th June to 13th August. That's 69 days less the one month's deposit which makes 39 days, which would be £1583.40 (40.60 per day * 39 days). If any of this can be believed that is.

3. Suzy removed the tent and mattress from the house before the tenant had been served a valid notice. Presumably the tenant objected as the police were called.

4. Suzy & co created a huge media storm harassing the tenant when she was just ONE DAY into the section 8's two weeks notice period.

The three things that gave this story legs were:

1. The charity worker who'd just come back from helping the homeless in Peru ...
2. found a squatter in her house ...
3. making her and her young son homeless and forced to live in a a tent.

When really it was:

1. She'd come back from renting in Spain, the plan was three months in Peru followed by three months "jolly" in Spain.

2. It wasn't a squatter it was a tenant who had a contract extension till 5th August and who at the time of confrontation from the landlord and removal of the tent hadn't been served a valid notice.

3. Suzy said to camera in the first GMTV programme on 11th August:
" We're homeless we're spending two/three nights a week in a tent, the rest of the time is in between family and friends houses." Although strangely there was no mattress etc. in a tent that had only been retrieved from the property a few days before on the 5th August.

Despite all that's been written on this, most notably on the nearly legal blog, Suzy still doesn't seem to understand what she's done.

You couldn't make it up - hang on she did.

john539

princeofpounds wrote: »

So 'homeless' Suzy actually owns at least two properties, and a restaurant?

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

And a tent!

This is just hilarious.

This is a wind-up, it must be.
Come on, own up.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Just as a matter of interest, could you factor in Carmels (undisputed) statement that she paid over £6k at the start of the tenancy. I make that 5 months rent (or 4 months rent + 1 months deposit)

mynameisdave

Excellent timeline summary, lily

mynameisdave

princeofpounds wrote: »

So 'homeless' Suzy actually owns at least two properties, and a restaurant?

My guess is that the property in Peru was sold to fund the deposit in Brighton.

kittiej

So is frank pulling any strings?

This is going to become really ugly I suspect

Hang on a minute, does she not speak to her father and ask his opinions about anything. Surely he should have had half an idea?

Is he friends with 'he who shall not be named'? Or the MP?

princeofpounds

Is it possible to report someone to the police for illegal eviction and/or harrassment even if you aren't the victim?