surely it is better to limit child benefit to 2 kids per family

dori2o

It should be limited to 2 children. Not because of the workshy, or scroungers, but because we have to cut some things, and this is one thing that can and should be cut especially when you consider that you also have tax credits to top up this income. If that was not the case then I could see an argument to keep the existing system.

It should however also be means tested with those earning over and above the Higher tax rate threshold receiving none of the benefit. It's not actually needed by these people who are already taking home £619p/w after tax and NI.

What we have to work out however is how do you cut it for those already in receipt of it.

Do we continue to pay those who are already in receipt of child benefit until their children already in a claim reach 16 or do we stop it straight away?

or

Do we say all those existing claims continue, but as from say 06/04/2011, new claims, or existing single child/ 2 child claims from this date can only claim upto a maximum of 2 children?

Dame_Washalot

While they're scrapping child benefit why dont they also scrap retirement pension?
My parents died in their 50's and likely as anything I'm going to die in my 50's yet I still have to contribute to a benefit I am unlikely to get
At least we know that child benefit will stop when a child reaches 18, while people in their 80's and 90's who have been retired 20 or 30 years are still getting retirement pension

Why should I pay for other peoples grannies?

chopperharris

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Can you please rephrase this as it makes no sense ?

Education of kids is a benefit to all of us as it equips children for the world of work and the better the education the more they earn in their adult life.

Also by paying taxes to fund education we are contributing in our working life for something we had funded for us when we were younger.

Beneficial to us all how , what about the childless how does it benefit them to pay for the education , health needs , tax credits and child allowance of others children.Its conceited to say no to benefits for others while still condoning them in one form or another by another name.

As we look down beneath us at those on benefits , the upper middle classes are looking at the rest of us with the same resentment for having to pay for your kids state education , while they are paying for private schools at least part funded by the taxpayer and aided by charity tax status.The same thought on these benefits can be applied to the nhs , in that the upper middle classes are private health care and resent paying taxes to fund your nhs.

Once again a chicken and egg from you , we pay taxes for what we have recieved beforehand , ie schooling pmsl , then why not just get rid of not only the benefits system but also state education alltogether.

If only it was that way , then like graduates we would have a nice big debt to repay before we can afford to breed.Lets just ban all breeding until our education debts are paid off from our primary/secondary/university schooling , state paid sterilisation of females from the age of 12 until you pay it back , then outlaw paid maternity leave and child benefits/tax credits as they too are state handouts.

If we must go on about one should only have kids if they can afford them without state handouts , then !!!!!! apply it to all state handouts and not just a conveinent blame hound.Whats next if you cant affor a fking nanny?

cocktail

no child benefit for any child would be more sensible.
lets be honest £20 a week would make no difference in a grand scheme of life. that much could be easily saved from a weeks spend for any family.
the problem with having these handouts in the guise of benefits is, when they are taken away, you feel you have lost it---but its a BENEFIT---so it was not yours to start with in the first place

Gorgeous_George

I work and get to pay for...

my mortgage
council tax
the dentist
a car to get to work
nhs prescriptions
the ex-wife support agency

I wouldn't be that much worse off if I stayed at home, did a few cash jobs and learned the benefits system.

They won't change child benefit - too many votes to lose.

GG

LilacPixie

i have 2 kids with a 3rd on the way. My husband gets child benefit for our kids as at the time of the oldest birth we were planning on him being a SAHD. From what I can remember only one person can claim child benefit, there is not such a think as a joint claim so how could they means test it accuratly unless they re-did the whole system making claim joint?

oz0707

Bloke i know is working, has Mrs and 3 kids and they are receiving 500+ pcm in one form of benefit or another. Nice people, think the Mrs would work but cant afford to the way the system is. About time all this business was scrapped, no way could they afford to raise 3 kids without that 500pcm, therefore she'd have to work but she can't earn 3x childcare daily fee's in a day (all kids within a yr). Unsustainable springs to mind.

dori2o

Dame_Washalot wrote: »

While they're scrapping child benefit why dont they also scrap retirement pension?
My parents died in their 50's and likely as anything I'm going to die in my 50's yet I still have to contribute to a benefit I am unlikely to get
At least we know that child benefit will stop when a child reaches 18, while people in their 80's and 90's who have been retired 20 or 30 years are still getting retirement pension

Why should I pay for other peoples grannies?

I agree to a certain extent, but not scrap it all together, but means test it. Those with incomes in excess of £30k-£40k excluding the state pension should not receive it. There is simply no need for them to.

oz0707

Is there still an incentive to bring in 30-40k if your not on a level playing field with those bringing in nothing?

Dame_Washalot

dori2o wrote: »

I agree to a certain extent, but not scrap it all together, but means test it. Those with incomes in excess of £30k-£40k excluding the state pension should not receive it. There is simply no need for them to.

As long as we also means test SRP for those with a retirement income above SRP levels.
I WORKED for 23 years full time before I had my first child and I have now been in full time work for 31 years (apart from 2X6 month maternity leave)
My kids don't have any grandparents
I ask again, if you wont contribute to my kids, why should I contribute to your granny?