surely it is better to limit child benefit to 2 kids per family

jamespir

Percy1983 wrote: »

I am up for scrapping it, I don't have children yet but don't plan to have any I can't provide for.

As above, why should I pay to bring sombody elses children up? Survival of the fittest might be a bit harsh, but how about "only those who work can afford big flat screen TV's and PS3's"

unfortunatly you get one family advertised in a paper and idiots like you automatically presume that every person on benefits is like that its not true at all

ALIBOBSY

There is a sterotypical view of stay at home mums over here isn't there.

Some of us have a OH with a reasonable wage and so choose to be at home when our kids are small (not sat eating wotsits in front of the TV lol).

I am proud to be mum to 4 polite well brought up children who will end up as productive members of society if I have anything to do with it.

I do claim the child benefit and child tax credits, and this is still much less than OH pays in tax/ni each month so the tax payer effectively "gets" a "profit" from us.

Could we manage without the benefits? Probably now we could, but there have been times when the kids were smaller and I was on maternity pay (I have worked and paid my dues in between the kids both full time and part time) when the child benefit was a real help and we would have struggled without it.

To be honest the child benefit isn't a huge amount of a bill in the benefits total, and is seen as a no go for many which is why it has so far been left alone. Means testing will cost in terms of admin-and look at the problems with tax credits and fraud, overpayments and misscalculations. A simpler idea would be to only pay for children up to say school age. This would support mums through the early years whilst off work/on maternity leave/carreer break and end when they are in a better position to go back to work.

Tax credits seem crazy that you will still get some when you are paying higher rate tax, perhaps aline it with that figure as a cut off initially?

ali x

Jomo

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Yet many do.

They do have a chance. Its their choice to doss around. Anyone arguing they "dont have a chance" is frankly wrong. People are pandered to in this country.

Perhaps those sorts have a bad genetic makeup, that makes them lazy. :rotfl: I doubt it. If people didnt have a choice, either work or dont recieve a penny, I bet you they would work.

Totally agree....who has responsibility anymore? Just blame the government...that's what they do!!! :rotfl::rotfl:

bendix

jamespir wrote: »

hint of jealusy it seems

Jealous of what?

What a strange post.

The principle applies - if people choose to have kids the parents (including myself) should shoulder that financial burden themselves.

Is that such an alien concept?

bendix

ALIBOBSY wrote: »

I do claim the child benefit and child tax credits, and this is still much less than OH pays in tax/ni each month so the tax payer effectively "gets" a "profit" from us.

The tax payer does NOT get a profit from you. You will benefit from other services (defence, police etc) over and above your child benefit.

I am sorry, but it is YOUR choice to have four kids. Why should you ask other taxpayers to alleviate that burden, irrespective of how nice your kids are? Why should other people help pay to raise those children?

It's palpably wrong.

jamespir

bendix wrote: »

The tax payer does NOT get a profit from you. You will benefit from other services (defence, police etc) over and above your child benefit.

I am sorry, but it is YOUR choice to have four kids. Why should you ask other taxpayers to alleviate that burden, irrespective of how nice your kids are? Why should other people help pay to raise those children?

It's palpably wrong.

its your choice not to have kids yet you know that tax money goes to cover these things i pay taxes that keep smokers and drinkers alive and greedy mps and bankers in jobs

ALIBOBSY

bendix wrote: »

The tax payer does NOT get a profit from you. You will benefit from other services (defence, police etc) over and above your child benefit.

I am sorry, but it is YOUR choice to have four kids. Why should you ask other taxpayers to alleviate that burden, irrespective of how nice your kids are? Why should other people help pay to raise those children?

It's palpably wrong.

Well for a start if noone had kids it would pretty much end the world lol.

We paid tax before having children and will pay tax once they are grown up during which periods we will effectively pay for other peoples children. I have already said I am happy for the child benefit and tax credit to be limited and we would manage.

The same arguement could be applied to other stuff, like we don't drink but our tax goes towards policing drunks in city centres and the NHS bill for drinkers, we also don't smoke and pay towards the NHS bill for them as well.

ali x

bendix

jamespir wrote: »

its your choice not to have kids yet you know that tax money goes to cover these things i pay taxes that keep smokers and drinkers alive and greedy mps and bankers in jobs

How do you know I don't have kids?

Your argument is weak. Smokers and drinkers are kept alive by the NHS which is available for everyone to use when they need it, although I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole despite paying handsomely for it.

A benefit, on the other hand, is entirely different. A blanket sum of money to anyone who chooses to have kids, irrespective of whether they need it or not is a nonsense.

julieq

Indeed, and the children will be paying the tax that pays for the benefits of the brigade of whingers here later in life.

Whether or not child benefit should be universal is a separate question. It makes no sense at all to pay it to higher rate taxpayers.

chucky

bendix wrote: »

How do you know I don't have kids?

Your argument is weak. Smokers and drinkers are kept alive by the NHS which is available for everyone to use when they need it, although I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole despite paying handsomely for it.

A benefit, on the other hand, is entirely different. A blanket sum of money to anyone who chooses to have kids, irrespective of whether they need it or not is a nonsense.

moral hazard, moral hazard