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Why no 'outrage' on TAX FRAUD, David?

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  • drc
    drc Posts: 2,057 Forumite
    lewisa wrote: »
    That isnt avoidance, its evasion. Im not sure if that kind of fraud is included in these numbers

    The contractor settig up as a company (or possibly under an umbrella company) with a single client in order to pay corporation tax instead of income tax would be avoidance. Wouldnt it?

    If you are working through an umbrella company, you will automatically pay PAYE and tax. It is only if you have a Ltd Company that you would pay Corporation Tax.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    edited 10 August 2010 at 5:02PM
    If they know how much it's costing us, surely they know where the problems are (to be able to calculate them!) therefore, surely they know who to track down!?

    You can't get a claculation if you don't know what the fraud is. If you know what the fraud is, surely you know where its coming from, at least in benefit terms anyway.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    I did once hear a pretty harsh, but allbeit true comparison of tax fraud and benefit fraud. I couldn't really argue with it.

    Crack down on 20,000 fraudulent benefit claims, reduce their benefits, or lock them up. The net effect to the local area, nationally etc, is basically, nothing. Prisons costs will cost the same as benefit costs. In a lot of cases, benefit costs reduced as claimant getting less.

    Crack down on one company employing 500 workers, committing tax fraud by not paying x amount of tax, but IS paying millions in tax....net effect...company likely moves elsewhere, 500 jobs gone, more benefit payouts, less tax coming in.

    It's hard to argue with. It's kinda the lesser of two evils. The lesser of the evils here being benefits.
  • mbga9pgf
    mbga9pgf Posts: 3,224 Forumite
    Wrong I am afraid Graham. The COST may be neutral, however the benefits to the state and a nation are completely different.

    Having visited countries where you can leave your car running on a busy street to go get some cash, it simply doesnt compare. Scum need to fear the state and the consequences of their actions. Do I have an issue with some tramp being jailed for shagging in public? No I dont, and if you ever go out to the middle east, you would be under no illusions as to what is unacceptible public behaviour.

    Back to this country and an example, drug abuse. The law clearly states taking Class A drugs, purchasing them etc is illegal. Yet people (lefty, tree hugging whingeing types) pander to drug addicts and their filthy ways. Drugs exist that can effectively neutralise the effect of opiates, IE, someone shooting heroin simply will get no hit due to the counter effect of drugs administered.

    So, why then when drug addled scum are admitted to prison, arent they put on these drugs immediately, to rid them of their filthy habit? If theyt were FORCED to go cold turkey inside, with all the misery that goes with it, you can bet your a$$ that said drug addled scumbag would think twice about doing it again.

    Same with benefits. We canpander the softly-softly, or we can give these draining losers a kick in the gonads and tell them to crack on. Having administered both methods philisophically at work, I know the method that is not only effective, but is respected by the vast majority of individuals in said workplace.
  • StevieJ
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    I did once hear a pretty harsh, but allbeit true comparison of tax fraud and benefit fraud. I couldn't really argue with it.

    Crack down on 20,000 fraudulent benefit claims, reduce their benefits, or lock them up. The net effect to the local area, nationally etc, is basically, nothing. Prisons costs will cost the same as benefit costs. In a lot of cases, benefit costs reduced as claimant getting less.

    Crack down on one company employing 500 workers, committing tax fraud by not paying x amount of tax, but IS paying millions in tax....net effect...company likely moves elsewhere, 500 jobs gone, more benefit payouts, less tax coming in.

    It's hard to argue with. It's kinda the lesser of two evils. The lesser of the evils here being benefits.


    I assume it was a tax evading spiv giving you that spiel icon7.gif


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  • tomterm8
    tomterm8 Posts: 5,892 Forumite
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    In the 60's they used to sent TV license vans around, with big whirly things on the top... when the vans went around an area, suddenly a load of people had 'bought' a TV, and needed a license...

    I doubt that these benefit fraud initiatives actually catch anyone, it is much more efficient to scare people into paying than actually catching people and imprisoning them at £30k a year.
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  • StevieJ
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    mbga9pgf wrote: »
    Wrong I am afraid Graham. The COST may be neutral, however the benefits to the state and a nation are completely different.

    Having visited countries where you can leave your car running on a busy street to go get some cash, it simply doesnt compare. Scum need to fear the state and the consequences of their actions.

    Would that be the same places where they place a women against a wall and stone her to death if they think she may have had a bit of a fling :eek: Scum eh?
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • mbga9pgf
    mbga9pgf Posts: 3,224 Forumite
    edited 10 August 2010 at 5:59PM
    No its not actually. Qatar and the UAE are far more forward looking than that; they do have some pretty conservative outlooks wrt social behaviour however, including some pretty harsh punishments for drugs sale and abuse.

    The point still stands; I would prefer actual punishment for criminals as opposed to pretending its "societys fault" which is such an unbelievable copout for violent scum.

    Do I want to hear about some sob story about a burglar having a class A drug addiction? Do I hell. They had a choice, their choice was depriving individuals of their belongings to fund a habit that they wouldnt have developed if they hadnt broke the law in the first place!
  • Cameron is a muppet sucking up to the masses who have little understanding of what really costs the country.

    Although it is clear he goes down well for a large number of MSErs'.



    I don't know whats more worrying. :)
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  • mbga9pgf wrote: »

    The point still stands; I would prefer actual punishment for criminals as opposed to pretending its "societys fault" which is such an unbelievable copout for violent scum.


    As you have recently had MPs & the Police not only avoiding jail but avoiding the court process for obvious criminal acts you can hardly expect the "yobs" to give a sh*t about what you think.... ;)
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