Speed Camera switch off sees fewer accidents

andykn

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's so difficult to think out of the box, isnt it. You are welcome to your opinion, but you seem fast set on it, so there is absolutely no point in me discussing anything any further. You have, somehow miraculously decided I overtake buses etc in built up areas?!

I hope you have never flashed your lights to give way to someone, or have never carried out a manouvre based on someone else flashing you.

Highway code see.

The point you seem to be missing is that the pedestrian has the right of way however inconvenient that may be for you. Even if they run out of a hidden alleyway. You have to be driving at a speed where you can stop if they are and do.

andykn

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Be careful of quoting the highaway code - it bites both ways
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Your good friend was partially to blame in the situation you quote.

Not necessarily, the car may have been speeding and not visible at the time of starting to cross.

Graham_Devon

andykn wrote: »

The point you seem to be missing is that the pedestrian has the right of way however inconvenient that may be for you. Even if they run out of a hidden alleyway. You have to be driving at a speed where you can stop if they are and do.

Never said anything different.

The point is simple. No matter what speed you go, if someone on a scooter shoots out of an alleyway, or from behind a wall etc onto the pedestrian crossing, you are likely to have to take sudden evasive action.

If they stand and wait, you see them, and come to a normal stop.

Easy isn't it. Unless people have to keep making out that you can't stop because you are speeding, that's NOT the case. Neither is it the case that you come to a crawl every time you see a pedestrian crossing because someone may appear from somewhere and that person you can't see has right of way. No one does that.

It takes both the pedestrian and the driver to help reduce casualties. That's all my point has ever been....but it seems whatever is said, it reverts to "you must be speeding, drivers fault always".

What on earth is the harm in suggesting a pedestrian should look and wait before running out into the road?!?!?!

I have right of way in many situations. Don't mean I blindly drive through without looking, but apparently that would be best? I can always get the highway code out after to prove I was correct all along, sod the accident, just steam ahead and create it...instead of just avoiding it.

Anyway, it's been pointed out that the pedestrian has responsibilities too now. So argument finished. They should wait until you have stopped, just like I have said all along. Get me off the road!!!

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

They have right of way when on it yes. That is, afterall, why we stop to let them cross.

But to say they have right of way whenever they set foot towards or onto a crossing would be dangerous, and stupid. As it's basically saying they can just walk into the road whenever they like and its the drivers fault.

Right of way does NOT mean blindly walking in to the road.

TBF it does, if I see a zebra crossing and anyone is near it I virtually stop to see if they step out.

The onus is on the driver to be aware more than the pedestrian as it is there right away.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

TBF it does, if I see a zebra crossing and anyone is near it I virtually stop to see if they step out.

The onus is on the driver to be aware more than the pedestrian as it is there right away.

Yes, so does anyone.

Again...if you cannot see them?!?!

Graham_Devon

http://www.sydenham.org.uk/news_zebra_crossing.html

There you go, for all of you who cannot seem to grasp what the issue is. This isn't even an alleyway one.

Stand and wait, no problems.

Shoot out without looking? Well, enough accidents unfortunately there to prove the point.

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Again...if you cannot see them?!?!

They would not get planing.

Any even remotely near a direct step off at speed (ally way etc) they would have railings at the end of the ally to stop bikes, people running out on to the crossing.

You cant have them on blind corners either. They are placed to make a safe crossing not kill people so have to get planning.

If you notice near schools they are usually placed 100M + away from ally ways etc. Nearly always on a straight bit of road.

I cant think of any crossing which allows people to get on it "blind"

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

They would not get planing.

Touche, above post.

And this is one I go through very often...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:MfhbNmcWJ1MJ:harbertonford.org/index.php/News/News+harbertonford+crossing&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

Halfway down the page. Obvious problems there, it's oin a bend, you cannot see the pedestrian, will try and find a better picture as it's caused a massive stir. You can see slight;y from the pics its on a bend, but no wher enear full effect.

Straight out of the pub onto the crossing. It's brilliant.

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

http://www.sydenham.org.uk/news_zebra_crossing.html

There you go, for all of you who cannot seem to grasp what the issue is. This isn't even an alleyway one.

Stand and wait, no problems.

Shoot out without looking? Well, enough accidents unfortunately there to prove the point.

If you cant see the looly pops you should not be driving.
http://www.sydenham.org.uk/news_zebra_01.jpg

Also are the railing not here to stop people running straight out?
http://www.sydenham.org.uk/news_zebra_02.jpg

It looks perfectly visabel at around 30m so it may not be in a perfect position but you have to be a poor driver to not even see it.

Those big black and white 15ft polls with yellow flashing lights on the top should be a hint.;)

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

If you cant see the looly pops you should not be driving.


Also are the railing not here to stop people running straight out?
http://www.sydenham.org.uk/news_zebra_02.jpg

It looks perfectly visabel at around 30m so it may not be in a perfect position but you have to be a poor driver to not even see it.

Those big black and white 15ft polls with yellow flashing lights on the top should be a hint.;)

So why have they shut it? You tell me.

This is a slightly stupid argument. It seems those "pro safety" back up walking blindly into the road, and back up those sort of crossings.

Dear me.

It's like that women who was on top gear. Campaigned heavily for a speed camera in the village for around 2 years. Finally got it, overjoyed, will stop the speedsters. She got fined by the camera within 2 weeks. Blimey, was she angry. Speed camera was in the wrong place see