AD, Mewbie, and Mr B have been very busy.

StevieJ

Really2 wrote: »

n.


It is fairly clear and have stated IP tracking is more reliable than cookies.

Not once have I switched what I said.

I am not going to say I am wrong graham because IP logging is far more user specific than cookies.

What a mad man I am for suggesting they would use that first.:o

I used to be with BT and the IP address was dynamic and changed everytime I logged on, does that mean they could never effectively ban me i.e. if I was Banned I could just create a Sockie without all that Proxy stuff. BTW I am now with O2 and my IP is supposed to be dynamic (you have to pay for a fixed, in theory) but it never changes.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

Lets look at the facts
Sorry that is not true of cookie tracking, I could go on every pc on here and visit a page and I would be a new user.

It is true of cookie tracking. Please see here:
http://code.google.com/apis/analytics/docs/concepts/gaConceptsCookies.html

Please refer to the section "identifying unique visitors". You can be a new user just using firefox and then switching to IE if you like. Take it up with google if you feel the need.

You can track Ip’s through the soft but lets carry on.

Yes, and that's how the forum stops you posting, but allows you to log in and read. This is absolutely nothing to do with tracking visitors. It is a feature built into the forum software.

It is fairly clear and have stated IP tracking is more reliable than cookies.

There is no such thing as IP tracking. Not in the sense you are talking about. IP logging, yes. You can't capture details of visitors on IP addresse's though.

Not once have I switched what I said.

I am not going to say I am wrong graham because IP logging is far more user specific than cookies.

What a mad man I am for suggesting they would use that first.:o

I'm sorry, there is nothing more I can say. They do NOT use IP's for tracking visitors. It would be a pointless task, especially considering 40 people could use the same IP address if they are on the same network, i.e. business's, hotels etc, as it's all tracked on the external IP and not the IP of your machine. All machines on that network will go through the same gateway and therefore all report the same IP....it would be completely pointless using this to track anyone.

MSE themselves only use IP's to set rules on individual users through the forum software.

You can argue it until you are blue in the face. Tracking IPs, which in this case would be an external IP would be completely pointless, and we would never be discussing this, as those figures you used in your OP simply wouldn't exist.

System

!!!! me, a nice lighthearted thread and the world's most pompous person has to start an argument FOR NO REASON.

tommy75

Ban everyone and be done with it, bunch of t@$+*z

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It is true of cookie tracking. Please see here:
http://code.google.com/apis/analytics/docs/concepts/gaConceptsCookies.html

I know they use cookie tracking, your statement did not describe cookie tracking.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

only class as one visitor, per PC / Network they use

(if there are no cookies on any pc they are a new user!!!

God I give up

nearlynew

I just wish I could understand all this IT jargon so I could join in the banter.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

I know they use cookie tracking, your statement did not describe cookie tracking.

God I give up

I honestly have no clue what you are on about then Really.

Your OP uses figures derived from google analytics. You said I was wrong and they use IP's to gain these figures, not cookies.

You then said I couldn't be so stupid as to suggest they used cookies.

Now you are saying you know they use cookies.

As I said before, I think you are on about the forum software now. But then the forum software has nothing to do with the figures you were originally talking about in the OP.

It would be much easier if you just sauid what you were talking about. I have said throughout, and referred throughout to google. Yet you keep saying I'm wrong, even though I've consistently referred to google and google analytics, but now you say it's correct?!

chucky

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I honestly have no clue what you are on about!

Graham_Devon

nearlynew wrote: »

I just wish I could understand all this IT jargon so I could join in the banter.

Jump right in. Theres no need to understand it it seems

fimonkey

Would this debate be better off on this thread? https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/35404807#Comment_35404807 where MSE are patting themselves on the back?