AD, Mewbie, and Mr B have been very busy.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

How are they logging it, You said it was not IP, I suggested is it cookies, and a cookie was even less reliable.

THIS is you suggesting it's cookies?!?!?!?

Really2 wrote: »

You cant even begin to think users are unique because of their cookie history?

Well f'k me. Just call me Mr Muddle and have it done with. Cus that to me is no where near you suggesting they use cookies. Obviously I'm totally confused.

Anyway, in answer to your question.

Google analytics uses cookies to track visitors. IP's would do naff all.

And yes, I accept your apologies for stating I am wrong.

You can call me some names, if it makes you feel better?

boomerangs

Really2 wrote: »

What are you trying to disprove, state what you think they use rather than saying I am wrong and not saying why?

I love the way Graham winds the bulls up on here on a daily basis. En masse they try to bully him but to no avail. The best thing is most of the bulls are too dumb to realise they're being played like a string. Long may you continue Graham. :T

Graham_Devon

boomerangs wrote: »

I love the way Graham winds the bulls up on here on a daily basis. En masse they try to bully him but to no avail. The best thing is most of the bulls are too dumb to realise they're being played like a string. Long may you continue Graham. :T

Not currently stringing. Really just has both feet stuck in his mouth.

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Google analytics uses cookies to track visitors. IP's would do naff all.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/cookie4.htm

If you erase your cookie file for HowStuffWorks and then revisit the history URL in the previous section, you will find that HowStuffWorks has no history for you. The site has to create a new ID and cookie file for you, and that new ID has no data stored against it in the database. (Also note that the HowStuffWorks Registration System allows you to reset your history list whenever you like.)

Oh dear, oh dear
So like I said, do you really think cookie tracking is reliable.

PS you can track IP's through google analytics. (as you will see that is how they track AD you fool)

I work In IT graham, only one item on you web use is unique that is your MAC code. (unless you have static IPs)

IP is accepted as more unique than a cookie, but you can still change it.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/cookie4.htm


Oh dear, oh dear
So like I said, do you really think cookie tracking is reliable.

PS you can track IP's through google analytics.

Oh good god.

Really.....

http://code.google.com/apis/analytics/docs/concepts/gaConceptsCookies.html

From googles OWN mouth, as it were. Google anaylytics is what we are talking about, yes?

Theres even a section on identifying unique visitors. Christ.

I also work in IT really. I also have google analytics rolled out across websites really, it uses cookies to track visitors really (do you really work in IT, but use howcomputers work websites?)

Think it may be easier to just once again say "Yes Really, you are right, I am wrong, sorted".

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Oh good god.

Really.....

http://code.google.com/apis/analytics/docs/concepts/gaConceptsCookies.html

From googles OWN mouth, as it were.

Theres even a section on identifying unique visitors. Christ.

Think it may be easier to just once again say "Yes Really, you are right, I am wrong, sorted".

I know they do but their is no way of knowing they are unique if they delete their cookies after every session.

You have two ways of tracking oen are IP's (fairly reliable) Cookies (not as reliable)
You can trace MAC codes but I really doubt they would want to apply for those off every ISP.

What are you trying to prove I stated cookies are not relaible, care to disprove that.

Really2

The_Slayer wrote: »

Can I just say that cookies are a red herring, it's all down to the IP your ISP assigns to your router, this is what gets you 'banned', the proof is come to my house with your laptop and try and log in. You will fail, unless of course you have my special recipe.


Hope this clears it up guys

Cheers slayer , I was wondering why I was in the IT industry for the last 15 years.

Your job would be a lot easier if it was just cookies, you could either stop them or delete them after every log on.

StevieJ

boomerangs wrote: »

I love the way Graham winds the bulls up on here on a daily basis. En masse they try to bully him but to no avail. The best thing is most of the bulls are too dumb to realise they're being played like a string. Long may you continue Graham. :T

All credit to Graham pretending to be educationally sub-normal, he is certainly good at it I will give you that

Graham_Devon

I feel we are on about two different things.

You were using google statistics in your OP. You then used those statistics to talk about users making the statistics look good. You then said I am wrong, and they use IP's to track.

I feel you are now talking about how they ban users from sites. Something completely different, and unrelated to your OP on google analytic figures.

THIS site uses IP's to ban users, yes. Because that's all they can do.

Google analytics is a totally seperate issue. That measures the visitors, tracks them page to page. You can't ban a user through google analytics. Google analytics is what the OP was about.

Really2

Lets look at the facts

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Not sure if you realise or not, but they only class as one visitor, per PC / Network they use.

Sorry that is not true of cookie tracking, I could go on every pc on here and visit a page and I would be a new user.

Really2 wrote: »

(but your last bit is wrong as it depends on IP adress unless you have static IP's that can vary every time you log on to the net.)

You can track Ip’s through the soft but lets carry on.

Really2 wrote: »

You cant even begin to think users are unique because of their cookie history?
If you erase your cookies you are a new user.

It is fairly clear and have stated IP tracking is more reliable than cookies.

Not once have I switched what I said.

I am not going to say I am wrong graham because IP logging is far more user specific than cookies.

What a mad man I am for suggesting they would use that first.:o