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zeupater

HomeSun_company_representative wrote: »

Hi zeupater,

I can also arrange for you to speak to Mr Cotton should you wish.

Please let me know and I can arrange it.

Krish

Hi Krish

I really have no need to talk to Mr Cotton if you have no intention of answering the simple questions which have been asked.

The figures you provided regarding Mr Cotton's usage cannot be seen as reasonable or representitive when compared with any source, including PVGIS, SMA, the Government's SAP calculation or even my own generation .... it's just unbelieveable that anyone would forward such figures and really does nothing other than reinforce any negative views of the 'rent-a-roof' sector which I may hold.

This kind of calculation of the likely annual savings is one step short of claiming that if a system produced it's maximum of 3.5kW once and half of the power was being used in the house, the power saving calculation would be .....

3.5kW x 8Hrs/Day x 365Days/year x £0.10/kWh x 50% = £511/year

..... it's just not realistic to do this, but that's effectively only producing a figure which is double your claim, which means that you would expect to generate an average of 1.75kW, for an average of 8 hours, every day of the year ........

You have a chance to redeem yourself and your product offering by providing more realistic information, else opening the defence of the product up to well deserved ridicule ......

Regards
Z

Cardew

kittie wrote: »

we live in a purpose built eco home which we own. We are in the south east and all the PV panels face south and there is no shading at all. We have a system designed to give an output of 2.3 kw and the maximum that I have seen being produced is 1.9 kw. Since the 12 th july to now, we have produced 838 kwh

I hope this helps reality to sink in

edit: just to say that if we were buying then no way would we even contemplate looking at any property with a rented roof. An awful lot of people have been shooting themselves in the foot with these schemes.

Hi Kittie,

Is that a 2.3kWp system?

As you have produced 838kWh in 6.5 months, you look as is you should generate 1,600kWh in the year.

If you manage to use 50% of that in your house, which is not easy, you will have saved approx £80 in addition of course to your FIT and 'sold' electricity @ 3p/kWh.

Now the people with the Homesun 2.4kWp system, get that system because their house is not perfectly sited.(as yours is). However let us assume they can also use 800kWh in their house so they will also have saved £80 off their electricity bill.

However to save that £80 they would have paid Homesun £60 in monthly rental. The loss of interest on £500 in a long term investment is £20 a year, and so they would have broken even. If you then amortise the loss of £500 over 25 years, that is another £20 a year.

So they would be paying for the privilege of renting their roof to HomeSun under a binding legal agreement.

That is the reality!

[Deleted User]

Yes Cardew, I think your figures are correct. We will probably save about £80 up to absolute max £100 a year on electricity usage and that would be only if we make an effort to use appliances during good light days, which we may be able to do as we both are at home all day, every day. I must say though that there is a limit to how much washing, cooking etc that I can or want to do on very sunny days, so I qualify my figures in that our saving will be closer to £80

The rewards for us come with the FIT scheme and we will be expecting to be paid approx £655 per year as we bought a new build with PV already fitted

penrhyn

The world has gone mad, Solar PV system generates around £100 of electricity a year for an installation cost of around £10,000 or more.
For some inexplicable reason, the tax payer at large is expected to subsidise this middle class ecobling at several times the value of the power generated.
The sooner these FIT schemes are scrapped the better.


Rant over.

ilovegreen_2

Z, I do not feel Krish would make up data as his post indicates he has retrieved this info from a customer. Their rep who visited me states they have over 100,000 applications and each one passes through Krish at one point or another:T (Krish I'm just saying what I've been told...sorry to put ya on the spot :eek:) therefore back to Z ->>taking in to account their large customer base I see no motive why he would make numbers up to impress everyone here. He has-been most courteous and extremely helpful all along. Give him a break, maybe their customer is not clued up and has misread the numbers??!!

Krish, can you check the data with Mr Cotton once again please?

Thank you very much for your help and support, I'm sure there are lots of people here who appreciate your involvement in clarifying matters as I see no other company rep posting on here other than yourself!

Cheers :-) :beer:

Cardew

kittie wrote: »

The rewards for us come with the FIT scheme and we will be expecting to be paid approx £655 per year as we bought a new build with PV already fitted

Kittie,

I assume you are getting the 36.1p/kWh FIT for new build systems instead of the 41.3p/kWh for retrospective installations?

[Deleted User]

yes correct

Cardew

ilovegreen wrote: »

Z, I do not feel Krish would make up data as his post indicates he has retrieved this info from a customer. Their rep who visited me states they have over 100,000 applications and each one passes through Krish at one point or another:T (Krish I'm just saying what I've been told...sorry to put ya on the spot :eek:) therefore back to Z ->>taking in to account their large customer base I see no motive why he would make numbers up to impress everyone here. He has-been most courteous and extremely helpful all along. Give him a break, maybe their customer is not clued up and has misread the numbers??!!

Krish, can you check the data with Mr Cotton once again please?

Thank you very much for your help and support, I'm sure there are lots of people here who appreciate your involvement in clarifying matters as I see no other company rep posting on here other than yourself!

Cheers :-) :beer:

Krish is a salesman for HomeSun - it matters not if he is a 'nice guy' his job is to 'sell' his services.

This is a Money saving website and it is perfectly valid to question him on the deal they are offering.

With his 2.4kWp system you can check with loads of websites and you will find that the average output in UK is 800kWh to 850kWh a year per kWp if perfectly sited.

So Homesun's 2.4 system will give an output averaging less than 2,000kWh pa. So if you can use 50% of that output in the house you will save less than £100 a year.

As stated above you pay £60 in rental + £20 + £20 to save that £100.

If Krish disputes my figures - then he has every opportunity to do so.

You note he hasn't commented on the lady with their system(featured on their website) who saved £52 in the best 6 months from Feb to Oct - so in line for savings of £80 a year, which would cost a Homesun customer £100 a year.

That saving of £100 a year(before payment to HomeSun) is in line with all the serious input on the internet - including Which.

Nice guy or not, his reply to my query was just obfuscation.

Don't forget his firm collect the FITs on all their systems, so he can give us some exact figures of generated output down to a kWh of what their systems are generating.

Instead we get someone's statement that he saved £4.35 in a sunny week on the Isle of Wight with a 3.2kWh system and he multiplied that by 52 to come up with an annual saving figure.

zeupater

ilovegreen wrote: »

Z, I do not feel Krish would make up data as his post indicates he has retrieved this info from a customer. Their rep who visited me states they have over 100,000 applications and each one passes through Krish at one point or another:T (Krish I'm just saying what I've been told...sorry to put ya on the spot :eek:) therefore back to Z ->>taking in to account their large customer base I see no motive why he would make numbers up to impress everyone here. He has-been most courteous and extremely helpful all along. Give him a break, maybe their customer is not clued up and has misread the numbers??!!

Krish, can you check the data with Mr Cotton once again please?

Thank you very much for your help and support, I'm sure there are lots of people here who appreciate your involvement in clarifying matters as I see no other company rep posting on here other than yourself!

Cheers :-) :beer:

Hi ilovegreen

I would love to believe that the information was forwarded in good faith, but I have a lot of experience in negotiating with organisations who are very selective in what is offered up as evidence. I am also well aware that, as you say, the information source is not their own, it is the personal view of one of their own customers .... this is a well known and well used ploy to protect a sales position against claims of misleading a customer, a form of plausible deniability as the organisation can disassociate itself from the data source and accuracy ....... a major communications company which I used to deal with was well renowned for using this approach all of the time ....

Accurate and realistic information for consumers to base decisions on is all I am requesting .... others are requesting this too, it's also probable that many others are following the thread and waiting to see the quality of what is provided in return ....

HTH
Z

suecoo66

free_juice? wrote: »

According to that my roof is perfect. Spot on south, no shading, 30 degrees, 10 sq. metres bigger than their minimum requirement and in one of the southern coastal counties, yet I was rejected outright. A lucky escape in my opinion except that I last saw my deposit three months ago.

How would I even know what pitch my roof is? Let alone the size of the roof? Is this something I would be able to find out if I look at my survey? As ISIS were happy to send me a contract I'm guessing my roof is ok, or do they just send out contracts to everyone who applies?
Really unsure what to do here.