JimmyTheWig wrote: »
Just a thought... Given that this site makes a lot of money (I presume that that is still the case) would it be worth putting some extra resource into this area?
JimmyTheWig wrote: »
I agree with you Welshwoofs. Option 3 (reactive post-moderation) is the only sensible option.
But my point is that with more resource behind it the moderation team could react quick to reports of abuse.
cit_k wrote: »
Martin, where did I state you are complicit in a hate crime because you allow benefits to be discussed on a forum.
No where have I stated the problem is down to benefits being discussed.
Its down to abuse that occurs when benefits are being discussed - its down to the level of hatred / discrimination / nastiness that occurs in some posts, you have either worded your blog post badly by accident, or you have done so on purpose, either way, it is inaccurate if you were referring to me.
It has never been simply because benefits are discussed.
If it had been, I would have stated that, which I did not.
shellieholly wrote: »
3.How about as well as the "thankyou" rating - "What a total muppet" button? - a certain score gets you blocked for a couple of weeks/months/But then the wise ones here know that will be SO very much abused.
perhaps just the button to alert others that some posters are more "muppet/trollish" than others - it would give the admin teams something stronger to work with, a behind the scenes flag system could be implimented in some fashion.
Isn't it a shame that the imaturity of the minority ( for what ever reason) reflects on the mass majority.
NASA wrote: »
I took part in the thread that started this whole kerfuffle* and think it has been blown totally out of proportion.
One user, a serial wind-up merchant (Some would say troll - I personally think there is a subtle difference), make a few outlandish statements and another user (Who continusously defends the rights of everyone under the sun being allowed to claim benefits) took the bait.
Messageboards are always goint to bring this kind of behaviour. Every forum has it in its own way. Football, politics etc.
Saucepot wrote: »
I hope you do not mean me; I have never frequented the benefits boards as I neither need advice nor wish to offer advice in this area. On DT people do accuse me of being a serial wind up merchant.
However I have read through the Benefits board by way discovering what the kerfuffle is about and see the issue as similar to many others.
I use MSE to find out about the latest financial products and find the site useful. As a user of a secondary Nationwide account used to load up for travel, I have found it useful not only to discover the changes about to be made but look into better options. The boards offer even greater depth than simple comparisons, as that’s where I discovered that whilst Santander had what appears a decent alternative, many are unhappy with the customer service. However when I look at the threads there are many posts which would understandably annoy people. Posts from people looking to get debts they have accrued cancelled. I can understand why this annoys people.
Shoplifters are paid for by higher prices to shoppers. Debt defaulters are paid for by higher interest(price) to debtors. Fraudulent insurance claims push up insurance prices to insurance buyers and benefit claimants cost tax payers money.
I decline to engage on those forums with threads from people engaged in behaviour that I consider dubious. I certainly don’t “give them a piece of my mind”. I read what I consider useful, offer advice if I have any useful advice to give and ignore those I feel are cheating.
However on DT and in the arms, people can talk about a range of issues and so long as it is not personally abusive I see no wrong. My personal opinion of the welfare state is that it is a disaster for the wealth and prosperity of the country, creating perverse incentives to neither work nor save. I see no wrong also in expressing a lack of respect for those in the news that have 8 kids, get 40k a year in benefits and live in a free state funded house worth 400k. I think it is an insult to the millions working hard on modest incomes shuffling a third of their take home (NI & Income Tax) to the government. I understand exactly how and why in infuriates people. This is not a “hate crime”. No comparison can be made with racism, sexism or homophobia. Comparisons to the treatment of Jews in the third Reich are an insult to those who suffered. There is no conspiracy of propaganda in the media to demonise welfare claimants, only stories that inform us just how broken and perverse the welfare state had become.
I am saddened if abuse has been occurring on forums designed to share knowledge and ask or offer advice. I would be saddened further if DT was stifled by a few abuse button happy oddballs accusing anybody they disagreed with of being Nazi’s
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