E: 29/08 Win £250 with Cash Hunt - HELP NEEDED

bargainhuntergal

I'm probably completely on the wrong track (again! ) but you know when something just bugs you and you can't figure out why so I'm wondering if it's important to the clues.

I noticed somewhere along the line the word 'and' has gone missing from the clue, it says 'Word two you must find and then flog the wrong way' I wasn't sure if that meant we should be looking for an anagram of 'and then flog' rather than just flog? *confused face* orrrrr another thought that occured to me should we be looking for another meaning to 'flog' like sell etc, so like sell the wrong way?! I really have no real idea it just seems too easy for it to mean golf!!

Thanks everyone for the brilliant help so far! :T Really wish my brain thought in the way to work these out!!!

Edited to add: Flog could also mean beat, like with a whip?!

reniannen

marialionza wrote: »

I know this sounds a pain, but I'm also interested in knowing because it's unbelievable what you have achieved (hats off to Reniannen).
Long live the queen/king/royalty...:rotfl::beer:

aw shucks, thanks, but I'm not that good! Look at me running round in circles now Don't think you realised I answered above, post #42 This thread is getting to be a bit of a forest as someone said above

I'm starting to question flog too now. Flog the wrong way = golf backwards is usually how their clues work, but they might be tricking us, lol.

Bet they're reading this thread having a right good laugh at us all.

Tishie

I was thinking that word two you must find and flog the wrong way might have something to do with the swingweight scale in golf, but don't really know enough about golf to progress this thought any further.

Cmdr_Bond

marialionza wrote: »

I know this sounds a pain, but I'm also interested in knowing because it's unbelievable what you have achieved (hats off to Reniannen).
Long live the queen/king/royalty...:rotfl::beer:

*points up*

reniannen wrote: »

I'm not brilliant at them by any means, I've just done quite a few and you get used to how they work! This is roughly how I got there -


Did Henry go starving while clearing bent grass

I had a hunch the first line referred to a placename, as I know they sometimes use place name meanings in the clues, which are often mentioned in wikipedia articles. I also have a bit of an interest in toponymy, and knew that lee meant clearing.
I googled placenames + "bent grass" (quotes search for the exact phrase, I'm not sure if everyone knows that) which got me immediately to Bentley.
I then went on a futile quest for a Henry Bentley who might have been hungry at some point lol, until I finally googled the phrase hungry Bentley and got to the wikipedia article. It tells you that it was owned by Henry de Ferres so everything matched up and I knew I was in the right place.

Buy hall and you'll see above cellar your task

The wikipedia article mentions the hall so I googled that and came up with the estate agents pdf document which fitted with the word 'buy'. I searched it for mentions of the cellar and came to the floor plan which specifically says it's below the drawing room. I wasn't sure I was right at this point, but as drawing fitted the phrase 'task' and I couldn't see anything else I went with it.

Match she without T find where hat home did make
Crustacean will show you the one with no steak

My mum gets credit for this bit, she's good at cryptic crosswords so she recognised that you take the t out of match and solve the anagram. After trying an anagram solver and getting nothing I thought that it might be another placename and since ham is a common suffix I worked it out as Chesham. I googled Chesham + the word drawing. This gets you to the Drawingroom website which mentions the mad hatter connection on the first page. With hindsight I could have just went to the Chesham wikipedia article which mentions it too.

(This is actually quite rare when they make it that the clue can be solved without going through every stage. Although the first part of the clue led you to drawing, you could have solved the anagram and found Roger Crab without it.)

Now where he joined Phil you remember your youth

After this it was just a case of clicking through Wikipedia pages from Roger Crab to Bethnal Green then the V&A childhood museum.

The pattern from inmates will lead to the truth

I googled keywords, something like V&A childhood + inmates + pattern to find the info on the floor

hope that helps

Back to the last part now.... :mad: :rotfl:

Cmdr_Bond

bargainhuntergal wrote: »

I'm probably completely on the wrong track (again! ) but you know when something just bugs you and you can't figure out why so I'm wondering if it's important to the clues.

I noticed somewhere along the line the word 'and' has gone missing from the clue, it says 'Word two you must find and then flog the wrong way' I wasn't sure if that meant we should be looking for an anagram of 'and then flog' rather than just flog? *confused face* orrrrr another thought that occured to me should we be looking for another meaning to 'flog' like sell etc, so like sell the wrong way?! I really have no real idea it just seems too easy for it to mean golf!!

Thanks everyone for the brilliant help so far! :T Really wish my brain thought in the way to work these out!!!

Edited to add: Flog could also mean beat, like with a whip?!

I had thought of flog as in whipping, but not selling - +1 on adding to the confusion


I am begining to think that St. Pauls is the right track, but can't quite work out where to go from there. It just seems too good that the floor leads to the crypt which leads to the statue.

RE: the sentance, I noticed the missing AND, but didn't think too much of it.

Some anagrams of then flog

elf thong
eth flong
felt hong
flo ghent
flo thegn
flog hent
flog then
flong eth
flong het
flong the
fohn gelt
gelt fohn
ghent flo
golf hent
golf then
heft long
hent flog
hent golf
het flong
hong felt
hong left
left hong
length of
long heft
nth fogle
of length
the flong
thegn flo
then golf
thong elf

Marg2k8

bargainhuntergal wrote: »

I noticed somewhere along the line the word 'and' has gone missing from the clue, it says 'Word two you must find and then flog the wrong way'

The word 'and' does still appear on the cashhunt site. When I used the phrase above and omitted the word, I was just copying and pasting the phrase from an earlier post and did not notice that the word 'and' was not there. Sorry if this confused anyone.

Cmdr_Bond

Some more wild ramblings about "flog the wrong way"

h t t p : / / larrygolfstheworld. com/ golf/golf/courses-and-travel/33/golf-spelled-backwards-is-fun-the-old-course-in-reverse (when will I be able to post proper links?)

There is hardly a golfer alive who has not heard of the Old Course at St. Andrews, the birthplace of the game.

But outside of St. Andrews, there is hardly a golfer alive who has heard about the Old Course in Reverse, the most fun you can have in Scotland without getting arrested.

To explain, let me briefly take you back to the end of the last millennium, when the 20th century’s final Open Championship, aka British Open, was played on these hallowed links in 2000. Tiger Woods of course won, and in record fashion, but one of the more memorable things about his landslide victory was the endless commentary about how in four days he did not hit a single one of the many, many bunkers on the Old Course.

Tiger is good, but not that good. The reason he missed all the bunkers is the same reason any very long hitter can do it: on the Old, they are in the wrong places.

On most golf holes, the fairways bunkers are more than halfway down the hole, in order to protect the landing area. Take a 400-yard par 4. Architects know most players hit drives between 230-280, so the bunkers are likely to lie about two thirds of the way down the hole. If you switched the tee and green but kept everything else the same, the bunkers would now be just a third of the way down the fairway, much closer to the tee, and long hitters would consistently fly them.

That is exactly what they did at the Old Course. Only they did it 113 years ago. Way before Tiger.

Golf was not always an 18-hole affair, and in fact, as recently as 1764 the Old had 22 holes, 11 out and 11 back, but a few were too short and ended up getting combined, so they ended up with 18. When other places decided to build golf courses, most patterned themselves on the Old, and thus today we have 18.

But the 18 created in 1764 are not quite the same as today. The course, famous for its large, shared, double greens, used to have such a green for holes one and seventeen. If you can picture the renowned first at St. Andrews, today you hit straight, with the beach made famous in the movie Chariots of Fire to your right. Back then you took aim at the Swilcan Bridge, the most famous feature of seventeen, and played out to the left. You then continued down the left hand side of the course, alongside what is now the Old Course Hotel and played the loop in a clockwise direction.

In 1896, Old Tom Morris, St. Andrews’ most revered golfing son, had enough of that nonsense, and built a new separate green for the opener, the one we have today. This encouraged the course to be played in reverse, in what the Scots charmingly call the anti-clockwise direction. That meant, as Tiger Woods discovered, that the course’s 112 bunkers were suddenly set up more favorably, because they are meant to be hazards when played from the opposite direction. For many years they had it both ways, playing the “new” configuration counterclockwise and the original clockwise on alternating weeks. Then they did it just in December. As the course’s popularity grew this all became too cumbersome and now they do it exactly three times a year, right at the opening of the spring season in March.

To confuse you further, the original reverse routing is now normal, so The Old Course in Reverse is actually the Old Course Forward, at least in Old Tom’s Day. Today’s routing is the one with the bunkers in all the wrong places, but no one who plays the course ever minds, and few avoid them like Tiger did. In fact, the most memorable shots on the Old are usually failed escape attempts from the nefarious and deep bunkers, many big enough to have actual names.

To further confuse you, the course never actually closes for the season, even though they have an opening day. That is because in winter, to protect the turf, which will not grow back in cold weather, the Old Course does something very unusual, which they call “playing off the mats.” At the first tee every player is handed a square of artificial turf that they lug around with them. Except on tees and greens and rough, anytime you are going to strike the ball you lift it up and place it on this square of portable practice range and hit the shot off of it. The opening season is when they go back to playing off the grass.

Just to clarify, when you play the Old Course in Reverse, you do not simply play the holes in backwards order, like 18, 17, 16 and so on, which is what a lot of people think. You play from the first tee to the 17th green, using the 18th fairway along the way. Then you play from the 18th tee to the 16th green, playing down 17. And so on. It is crazy.

I did the Old Course in Reverse this year (2008) and it was awesome. Despite the fact that they do it every year, and have actual yardage books for it (the Scots have a different word for everything, so it is Strokesaver) and scorecards, they make no sense and even the caddies are badly confused. The result is a lot of blind shots, vague yardage guesses, and people hitting into one another – head on. I have never played a more dangerous round of golf in my life, heard “fore!’ yelled more, or had such a good time, My friend and I brought a bottle of whisky along for the walk, which helps (no puny fifths in Scotland, they sell it by the full liter).

Every year, they sell an Old Course in Reverse package that consists of one round “forward,” or the current modern routing, and one round in Reverse, plus a third round on one of the other Links Trust courses, the Eden, New or Jubilee (New is considered the best but all are great). They do this by setting the course up in reverse on the second and third and sixth days of the new seasons. The best package are the first or last, when you play it first forward, then in reverse. Due to demand some people, those on the middle package, have to play it in reverse first on day three, then forward on day four. Then it is forward the rest of the year.

Besides the novelty and history of the Old Course in Reverse package, there are three other good reasons to book it. First, it is actually easier to reserve than a normal tee time just forward. It is booked the same way, on the opening day of reservation season (they have a lot of rules in St. Andrews) which is always the first Wednesday of September. But since it has a different reservation application, and very few foreigners know about it, you have a better chance. It is also a relative bargain, much cheaper than booking two normal Old Course rounds and a third on another layout. It is also a slow time in St. Andrews, and rooms are cheaper as well. The weather tends to be good, at least good enough where you have just as much chance of getting lucky as in July or August. For all these reasons, the Old Course in Reverse package is a must for any passionate golfer, at least once, though I would like to do it again.

One more thing: even though you missed the reservation date for 2010, you did not miss the package. When they say every year, they don’t really mean it. For some reason no one in St. Andrews can explain, they decided to skip the whole thing for 2010, so start looking for the Old Course in Reverse, vintage 2011, in early September 2010. I told you it was confusing.

marialionza

Good Lord, people! I'm tired on your behalf :shocked:

bargainhuntergal

I'm just going back through the old posts just to get caught up to speed, I understand the workings until the 'NOW WHERE HE JOINED PHIL YOU REMEMBER YOUR YOUTH,' part

but was wondering if the jump to the fish scales pattern was because his name is Crab?

The rest of it seems to flow quite nicely until that part so I was wondering if I'd missed something else to get to that link (quite likely!! lol)

I just thought because it was in the same paragraph as the first part that it should be linked in some other way? But it definitely seems to fit, just wasn't quite sure of the link. Sorry if I'm just confusing things more, just trying to get used to how it works so maybe I can help with the ending! :rotfl:

Edit: Sorry, ignore me, it might help if I clicked on the link, I understand now! Sorry again! lol

Edit 2: This is driving me insane!! :rotfl:

I was trying to find anagrams of 'and then flog' and I wondered if Woking Gaol meant that it was another Gaol, but I couldn't make a word (or two words) out of the letters NDTHENF, I'm pretty sure that it must have something to do with either Woking Gaol, Woking or another Gaol, following the way the clues have moved on, but then it could be to do with the fish scales!

Oooh, so confusing!! Will keep looking!

Marg2k8

Well, if Cmdr_Bond is right about the link to St Andrews, then it might be worth noting that there is a Hope church in St Andrews.

http://www.hopeparkchurch.co.uk/ (not that this fits in with the solution of words of nine, four and four)