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Cmdr_Bond

Time for some more blue sky thinking:

Starting with what we know so it all follows:

Did Henry go starving while clearing bent grass? Hungry Bentley - Henrey de Ferres

Buy hall and you'll see above cellar your task. Drawing Room

Match she without T find where hat home did make, Chesham, Drawing Room Art Gallery

Crustacean will show you the one with no steak. Roger Crab (Mad Hatter) (Vegetarian)

Now where he joined Phil you remember your youth, Philadelphians, Bethnal Green, Museum of Childhood

The pattern from inmates will lead to the truth. Fish Scale pattern laid by female inmates from Woking Gaol.

Now we get to the tricky bits...

Word two you must find then flog the wrong way,

Go homeward with hope and that's all for today.

Just taking the penultimate line for now, we are focusing on finding word two, but what exactly does this word two refer to?

The 2nd word of the answer or the 2nd word of a name or phrase we have already seen?

I thought of the second word being gaol, from woking gaol. teemed with golf I found

Goal Farm Golf Club - OK, I know it is Goal and not Gaol, but with Golf instead of Flog I didn't think it mattered too much.

Assuming the last line is a filler then the answer could be Pirbright Golf Club, where GFGC is based.

another take could be

The 2nd word from the full name of Woking Gaol - Woking Invalid Convict Prison

Although I don't see any links with that at all

Cmdr_Bond

Dunno if it means anything, or how it would fit in - but

Go homeward with hope and that's all for today.

Could refer to

Homeward Bound.

One of the adults name's is Hope.

Homeward Bound was based on a book by Sheila Burnford, called the Incredible Journey

http / en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Sheila_Burnford

And then there is

Hope House Museum, Alstonefield, Nr. Ashbourne, Derbyshire, DE6 2GE.

Dunno if any of this is any help, I'm just thinking out loud.

Mrs_Overall

crin wrote: »

If you are still looking at golf clubs in woking then Woking Golf Club which was built and designed for golf mad barristers in 1893 is also referred to as HookHeath Golf Club this would fit with the fish scales thoughts.

It is situated in Pond Lane just up from the Church in St Johns.

The pattern from inmates will lead to the truth

random thought
Continuing the lawyer theme, if the pattern is described as scales (rather than fish scales), relating the two words scales -> truth made me think of the 'scales of justice' = symbol of the legal profession & the statue at the Old Bailey,,...

CPotterton

Just a thought, but perhaps you guys overlooked something...

If we start from the Woking Women and their mosaics, we can then discover that they also made a mosaic for St Paul's Cathedral. The crypt, in fact. In that crypt is Wellington's tomb, and on that tomb are several statues, one of which is entitled Truth. Maybe Truth wasn't a misdirect, but rather an indication towards Wellington.

itsinthemail

CPotterton wrote: »

Just a thought, but perhaps you guys overlooked something...

If we start from the Woking Women and their mosaics, we can then discover that they also made a mosaic for St Paul's Cathedral. The crypt, in fact. In that crypt is Wellington's tomb, and on that tomb are several statues, one of which is entitled Truth. Maybe Truth wasn't a misdirect, but rather an indication towards Wellington.

The statue isn't in the crypt or on his tomb, its a monument in the north Aisle. Statue is called Truth and Falsehood.
http://www.explore-stpauls.net/oct03/textMM/WellingtonMonumentN.htm
still cant get any further with it though

marialionza

OMG_pale_:silenced: This is getting really difficult, I have lost all track if I ever had any!

itsinthemail

Going back to the earlier theme of fish/Christians as well as St Paul's there are mosaics made by the inmates here

http://www.stjohnswoking.org.uk/content/church-history

This is really driving me nuts

kragen_ironfist

itsinthemail wrote: »

The statue isn't in the crypt or on his tomb, its a monument in the north Aisle. Statue is called Truth and Falsehood.
http://www.explore-stpauls.net/oct03/textMM/WellingtonMonumentN.htm
still cant get any further with it though

True but I think its still relevant

the mosaic in the children's museum takes us to the women of Woking gaol, who among other mosaics made the mosaic that surrounds Wellington's tomb in St Paul's Cathedral, if we then go upstairs in the cathedral, we find the monument to Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington and the statue of Truth & Falsehood.

but it is here I get stuck...

supposing the above is correct and we have been led to St Paul's Cathedral, where are we going from here?

The next part of the clue "reads WORD TWO YOU MUST FIND AND THEN FLOG THE WRONG WAY"

Word two could mean that rather than being the second word of the clue, it is the second word of the location (but rather the 1st word of the solution) allowing golf to be the second word of the solution...

Now the monument is to Arthur Wellesley if we took Wellesley as being the second word (it is 9 letters) I did a search for Wellesley Golf and didn't come up with much in the UK, however I did find Wellesley House, a Public/Private school (never sure what the difference is) in Broadstairs, Kent

]Golf is very popular at Wellesley. Every week, a group of pupils is coached at the school by assistant professional from Royal St. Georges and other groups play at North Foreland Golf Club and the Manston Golf course.
There is a golf ladder and positions (or rungs) are competed for weekly. This year’s number one is a 6 handicap player.
Every year there are a number of fixtures, some played at Royal St. Georges, culminating in The Stowe Putter over the summer holidays.
The school has its own putting green.

the other option I can see, if you google street view St Paul's Cathedral, the tag comes up with "London Cathedral", if you take "Cathedral" (Cathedral also being 9 letters long) as being the second word, and searching "Cathedral Golf" takes you the "Cathedral Course" at Chichester Golf Club, strangely enough Chichester golf Club also owns Epsom Golf Club in Derbyshire which could be part of the homeward link.

any more ideas?

kragen_ironfist

@ Reniannen, Hi I am new to this hunt and have to say that I would not have gotten the first half of the clues in a million years, going over the answers you have given, and researching the details of those answers I can see how they fit, what I don't understand is HOW you got the answers in the first place.

Would you be able to explain the process you went through for those of us who are hard of thinking to better understand how these things are working.

Cmdr_Bond

itsinthemail wrote: »

Going back to the earlier theme of fish/Christians as well as St Paul's there are mosaics made by the inmates here



www. stjohnswoking. org. uk/ content/church-history

This is really driving me nuts

I read that and then went back through the previous posts and found

crin wrote: »

If you are still looking at golf clubs in woking then Woking Golf Club which was built and designed for golf mad barristers in 1893 is also referred to as HookHeath Golf Club this would fit with the fish scales thoughts.

It is situated in Pond Lane just up from the Church in St Johns.

Having done a quick G-map, it appears to be the same church.

Going back to the St. Pauls link, and the statue, maybe the 2nd word is

falsehood???