TV licence query

Kurtis_Blue

adindas wrote: »

BBC is also watched around the world.
Why do only we in the UK need to pay for it ? We are subsidising the interantional audience ...

ADINDAS

Well not yet from the licence fee, the worldservice is currently funded from the home office, its handy UK propaganda that I'm sure pays dividends.

And the sale of BBC programs abroad brings in funds.

Personally I love the BBC and the way its funded limits the amount of ITV2 style chavvy dross over the airwaves, its not perfect, 15mins listening to Radio 1 shows that but it needs to appeal to all I suppose, but as a whole I cant see any other media group that competes with the variety and quality.

eejit_3

adindas wrote: »

BBC is also watched around the world.
Why do only we in the UK need to pay for it ? We are subsidising the interantional audience ...

ADINDAS

If you watch outside the UK you get Adverts. When I first moved to Ireland I thought my PC had been hacked as there were ads on the BBC News website - very odd looking.

eejit_3

Kurtis_Blue wrote: »

Dont talk to them at the door AT ALL, except to politely tell them to leave your property immediately, you can even remove their right to knock if you so wish.

Wow - you can remove someone's right to knock?

Sounds great, how do you do that?

Kurtis_Blue

eejit wrote: »

Wow - you can remove someone's right to knock?

Sounds great, how do you do that?

http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Withholding%20implied%20right%20of%20access.htm

From TVL freedom of information request:

What happens when the implied right of access relied upon by enquiry officers to visit premises is withdrawn by the occupant?
When a person withdraws the implied right of access to TV Licensing, this is honoured. A flag is placed against the address on the TV Licensing database, which prevents any further visits being scheduled.
TV Licensing reserves the right to make periodic written enquiries in situations where an implied right of access has been withdrawn in order to ascertain whether circumstances remain the same. For example, if the person who withdrew the right of access has moved. We also reserve the right to use other forms of enquiry (e.g. detection equipment and search warrants).

veganpanda

adindas wrote: »

BBC is also watched around the world.
Why do only we in the UK need to pay for it ? We are subsidising the interantional audience ...

ADINDAS

Yes, very true!

Also, has anyone thought of the many dvd's the BBC make money from? Those dvd's are available to everyone around the world, but those who a pay a BBCTV Licence are funding those dvds AND having to pay for them too!! The BBC also make money by renting out their studios to other channels, eg C4's 8 Out of 10 Cats recorded at BBC Shepherd's Bush, etc.

veganpanda

giraffe69 wrote: »

It's an act of parliament which gives the right to raise revenue in this way. You can argue that there are better ways to do it including collecting the money in a different way or making the BBC commercial but the comment above is just fatuous

I won't waste everyone's time saying how I feel about acts of Parliament, other than to say Guido Fawkes was right!!

the_big_fact_hunt

got my response from TVL today, i have posted it with the red responses from me as this also shows the reply i have sent in return, i await another reply.......



Thank you for you reply Mr Graves, please excuse the fact that i have quoted your response, it is the easiest way to reply. There are several points that i have responded to that require clarification if you would be so kind.
Kind regards, and Seasons Greetings,



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> Dear Mr XXXX
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> Thank you for your email. We?ve recorded it under our complaint reference number above. Please use this number if you need to contact us again.
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> When you buy a TV Licence, you?re paying for a legal permission to install or use television-receiving equipment until the licence expires. If this is so, why do we not have to produce said legal permission licence at the time of purchasing the receiving equipment?
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> It?s not a service or product and unlike a utility bill, the licence fee is fixed and isn?t related to the value a person thinks they?ve gained from it. You need to pay the full fee regardless of which channels are received. Then why is it only the BBC who claim this? why are Capita PLC not advertising on other channels?
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> The BBC is incorporated by Royal Charter (i.e.; it is neither a person, nor a partnership, nor a company) and thus are exempt from the Business Names rules. You are Capita PLC, not TV licensing, nor the BBC, so why are you not identified on the web pages etc?
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> We as Capita act as agents of the BBC. TV Licensing is a registered trademark of the BBC and we are contractually obliged to use the TVL logo and heading on all business correspondence and the website. There is no company listed at Companies House as TV licensing, so any of your agents claiming to be from "TV licensing" would actually be committing fraud by misrepresentation
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> Our detector vans are able to identify the receiving of broadcast signal from outside a property.
So, if this is true as you always claim, why was the freedom of information request denied, claiming " it would damage the public's perception of the effectiveness of TV detector vans. The ICO agreed that if the deterrent was lost some people would not pay their licence fee." Anybody with even a tiny amount of common sense would ascertain from this that they do NOT work, if they did it would have been proved, and a whole big deal made of the fact, as this would not cause you to "lose the deterrent" as it would prove it once and for all.

> We do not require legal permission to make enquiries to an address. You can in person, unless i withdraw your implied right of way to approach my door along my private path, and do you firmly believe that you can perform a search on the inside of my PRIVATE property with your detection equipment without my permission, or that of a court of law?. You are however under no legal obligation to respond to those enquiries and after knocking on the door an officer can be asked to leave. I shall take this opportunity to inform yourselves that my dog is most likely fitter and than your agent and definately a faster runner, There would be no search warrant made for your property unless evidence of possible licence evasion was apparent.
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> Whatever your personal view may be, it?s still against the law to watch broadcast television programme services without a licence. Shouldn't that read LIVE broadcast television programme services as there is no legal requirement for a licence to watch "on demand" type services which are not live?.
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> We visit all unlicensed addresses in the UK and if you?re found to need a licence, you could be prosecuted and fined up to £1000 Assuming that the householder admits to using the equipment, as no prosecution that i am aware of has yet produced evidence from your "detection" devices, only relied on written statements admitting guilt.

HappyMJ

Why are you wasting your time? Broadcast is by definition live. Viewing TV on the internet at another time than the time at which it was broadcast isn't broadcast as it is only transmitted to 1 recipient. A TV license is not required for that. My computer is very capable of receiving live television broadcasts and as Mancunian says in post #3 they need to prove that I actually use it to watch LIVE television and the only way they'll do that is by seizing it after gaining a warrant from the court then decrypting it then going through my internet history. I do not know of any cases in which they have done this.

Kurtis_Blue

I think you need to take a little step back, your responses are verging on lunacy.

You are wasting time that could be put to more gainful use, a lot of the answers you require are available on the TVL website as answers to FOI requests.

the_big_fact_hunt

Kurtis_Blue wrote: »

I think you need to take a little step back, your responses are verging on lunacy.

You are wasting time that could be put to more gainful use, a lot of the answers you require are available on the TVL website as answers to FOI requests.

its not lunacy, these gits annoy me because they have people like my wife too scared to tell them where to stick their demands, if i didnt work and could be there when their "agents" came to call they would be given 10 seconds to get off my property, then they would find themselves leaving clean over the top of the gate.
It annoys me that the BBC wont openly admit to what they do to get you to give them money, i.e. sending muppets round to scare you into paying up, or confessing your crime so they can punish you, or hiding behind trademarks and not admitting that the licence fee is only for their stuff.
They call you their customer even if you have no need for their licence, they wont even accept that their is another option. It also annoys me that they wont admit to the fact that their detection equipment is a load of rubbish, if it works why dont they just prove it beyond reasonable doubt? because that would convince far too many people that they dont need to pay because they wouldnt get caught.
If i want sky or virgin i need a device t unscramble the broadcast, the BBC should operate in exactly the same way, no pay, no picture then the British public can show them how much they actually want them and their endless streams of poor entertainment