Morrisons refusing to sell 12 cert dvd?

unholyangel

arenaman wrote: »

next time you see a group of 15yr olds with booze in the park rest safe in the knowledge it wasn't bought from Morrisons

I wouldnt be too sure. I was being sold alcohol as young as 14 :eek: Then a funny thing happened, i turned 18 and they started asking for id, even now at the grand old ripe age of 26 (i dont mind though as i can convince myself i have my youthful good looks :rotfl:)

Although i wasnt a "hooligan" drinker. Even now as an adult i can only drink to a certain point and then i literally cant drink anymore. I've yet to (thankfully) be in such a state that i dont know where i am, who i'm with, how to get home, how to stand up straight, how to form a coherent sentence etc.

I look at the state that some people get themselves in and just think, what is the point of drinking to the point where its no longer enjoyable?


On one hand i do believe the parenting should be left to the parents. I used to watch 15 and 18 films when i was under 10 years of age (yes i can hear you all gasp with the horror and think what kind of parents i had) but i was brought up to be respectful with manners (of course i do have my off days) and all the rest.

But on the other hand, you get irresponsible parents who would show their kids something that might frighten them or that they're not mentally able to cope with. So i can kind of see it from both sides.

FATBALLZ

Enfieldian wrote: »

Since when are till monkeys paid to make decisions anyway?

They are employed to scan items and accept payment.

I'm fairly certain they are personally liable for a £1000 fine if they sell alcohol to the wrong person, so you cannot blame them for being overcautious sometimes. For £5.80 an hour why take the risk?

unholyangel

FATBALLZ wrote: »

I'm fairly certain they are personally liable for a £1000 fine if they sell alcohol to the wrong person, so you cannot blame them for being overcautious sometimes. For £5.80 an hour why take the risk?

Not just that, they can lose their licence. Although i would suspect that would be for repeat offenders.

I worked in a club while studying (one of several jobs) and if we werent sure we would always ask, even if it was a private function. And if they got someone else to buy it and we spotted them, they were told if they were caught again we would shut the bar and they could explain to whoevers party/event/fundraiser it was why the bar had been shut.

Certainly not worth losing your licence over as a bar - seeing as thats your only real source of income.

sayedrahul

unholyangel wrote: »

Really? Do they only hire psychics in supermarkets then?
They may suspect but they do not know.

And oh btw the way: The 12 rating is only found on videos and DVDs. No one younger than 12 may rent or buy a 12 rated video or DVD. Exactly the same rules are used to classify films at 12A as used to classify videos and DVDs at 12.
Suitable for 12 years and over. No-one younger than 12 may see a ‘12A’ film in a cinema unless accompanied by an adult. No-one younger than 12 may rent or buy a ‘12’ rated video or DVD. Responsibility for allowing under 12s to view lies with the accompanying or supervising adult.

Found here: http://www.cbbfc.co.uk/guidelines12-12a.asp


So as you can see, it is perfectly legal for adults to buy 12 dvd's for the intended viewing of under 12 year olds.

Nope its something called having a job where you can tell what items are purchased for whom as you serve well over 200 customers a day, you kind of get the ability to know.

There is no disputing what you have said you can do whatever it is you wish with your children and give them whatever you want, however the supermarkets have a responsibility and they will not knowingly serve you items which may or may not be for the use of yourself or the minor in question and it is and I stress this as it does not seem to have gone through clearly, it is up to the cashier if they suspect, if they have enough suspicion they can challenge and once challenged they cannot back down.

nickyhutch

My son, 16, was asked for ID recently when he was buying a pack of plasters. Idiocy.

System

The stores only responsibility is not to sell a 12 DVD to somebody they suspect to be under 12. They do not have the right to redefine the film classification system which is what has occurred here.

unholyangel

sayedrahul wrote: »

Nope its something called having a job where you can tell what items are purchased for whom as you serve well over 200 customers a day, you kind of get the ability to know.

There is no disputing what you have said you can do whatever it is you wish with your children and give them whatever you want, however the supermarkets have a responsibility and they will not knowingly serve you items which may or may not be for the use of yourself or the minor in question and it is and I stress this as it does not seem to have gone through clearly, it is up to the cashier if they suspect, if they have enough suspicion they can challenge and once challenged they cannot back down.

But you're contradicting yourself. To start with you're saying you have the ability to know. Then you are going on to say if they suspect. Two different words with two completely different meanings.

As i said in a previous post, i can see from both sides. Yes i do feel that it should be left up to the parents but i also feel that some parents dont really do any parenting. I also know it is up to a retailer of any kind whether they choose to accept your offer of payment in exchange for the goods.

But i also feel that if a cashier was trying to tell me how to parent my own child, i would be miffed to say the least. I would know my child better than the cashier. I would know whether the film was suitable for my child or not........especially when i could have taken my child to see the exact same film at a cinema and nor would i be breaking any laws by purchasing the dvd and allowing my child to watch it with my consent.

sayedrahul

Enfieldian wrote: »

Since when are till monkeys paid to make decisions anyway?

They are employed to scan items and accept payment.

With a on the spot fine of £80 and a possible criminal conviction as well as losing their job and having a conviction preventing them from getting another job and the loss of the BWS license and also a £5000 fine for the store manager, these "till monkeys" are paid to cover their ars*s and have to make decisions.

If you are that disgusted that these "till monkeys" make decisions how about this, DON'T SHOP IN SUPERMARKETS go scavenge around the back of the store in the bins for some food. Believe it or not these "till monkeys" are human (shock horror) so get off your high horse and respect the fact that there are a lot of people doing jobs which may not be highly lucrative or fantastic but they are providing a service for all of us. :money:

Equaliser123

Esqui wrote: »

Trading Standards are increasing test visits as it's the summer holiday. And with a fine of £500 to the cashier, I think it's worth refusing the sale.

With the offence being? Selling to a 37 year old...?

sayedrahul

unholyangel wrote: »

But you're contradicting yourself. To start with you're saying you have the ability to know. Then you are going on to say if they suspect. Two different words with two completely different meanings.

As i said in a previous post, i can see from both sides. Yes i do feel that it should be left up to the parents but i also feel that some parents dont really do any parenting. I also know it is up to a retailer of any kind whether they choose to accept your offer of payment in exchange for the goods.

But i also feel that if a cashier was trying to tell me how to parent my own child, i would be miffed to say the least. I would know my child better than the cashier. I would know whether the film was suitable for my child or not........especially when i could have taken my child to see the exact same film at a cinema and nor would i be breaking any laws by purchasing the dvd and allowing my child to watch it with my consent.

Seeing as you are knit picking I did say "kind of" which in other words means that they may or may not know, and if you look at my previous post I said that they may not get it right all the time.

But you are taking your frustrations on the wrong people if parents around the country were so outraged by this they should lobby the government they should ask for the law to be amended, it makes no sense as you say that parents can take their kids to watch a 12A but cannot purchase a 12 rated film with the child however this is legislation/company policy/industry standards that supermarkets have to follow or risk paying fines.