Blue Badge 'police'

ShockingPink

sunnyone wrote: »

responsible blue badge holders shouldnt sit in the car while able bodied people get out and do their shopping blocking a bay that others need when they dont need the wide bay because they are not getting out of the car, simples.

Totally agree. I'd have thought that should be obvious.

Brassedoff

steve_sona wrote: »

pwales,
i have a BTEC level 1 in parking management,which i obtained while employed by a local council, i am qualified to train & assess parking attendants,i hold qualifications in managing conflict & aggression in the work place,qualification in Dealing with difficult people.i have commendations from the Police for stepping into a potentially violent situation & defusing it.
the information that you have been given by the council is incorrect & at best, misleading.

If a leisure centre car park is owned by a council(local Authority) then that council/authority DOES have the legal right to issue & enforce penalty charges upto & including taking the matter to the county court,who can if needed instruct bailiffs to recover any monies owed & also add any REASONABLE costs.

any penalty revenue from a ticket issued on a public highway is to be used for the funding of CCTV,street lighting & other street furniture.

revenue from Penalties issued in a council car park is to be used for the upkeep of the carparks .

approx £8.00 per year from council tax payments go toward the wages for Local Authority parking attendants.

i could go on & on even quoting the Traffic Management act 2004.but as it seems that you have a very ignorant manner, i will not waste my time or waste any more of this forums space on you

Steve_sona, are you not referring to a local bye-law? I know in the district council where I was stationed, their leisure centre and town centre car parks were covered under a local bye-law, which I assume is the same used for other authorities? That is why they have the ability to take offenders through the Magistrates rather than County Court. Councils can apply parking restrictions and limitations by virtue of these and other means would require an act of Parliament, with so many local authorities that would be unworkable. (just my memory of both applied Law and The Road Traffic Act 1991 which transferred the responsibility to local authority control)

Whereas the local ASDA is a civil matter and CAN be taken through County Court. Now whilst you may beleive you can ignore them, if it is clearly marked that by parking there you agree to the terms and conditions and charges, they get sufficient proof, i.e photo, they could take it all the way to court, just because you break no bye-law by parking on private land, does not mean they cannot charge or pursue you?

sunnyone

ShockingPink wrote: »

Totally agree. I'd have thought that should be obvious.

not to some posters on this thread it isnt, they think its totally acceptable.

pwales_2

ShockingPink wrote: »

Oh for goodness' sake; stop all the infighting and point-scoring, everyone. The simple truth is that parking "fines" in private car parks aren't enforceable, whereas the fines in local authority car parks are.

Either way, responsible blue badge holders should ensure that their badges are not misused. It's the perception of widespread abuse that leads to many of us being regarded with suspicion.

the leisure center must be local authority owned, so why did they say they cannot enforce it and ask me to speak to the manager to ask them to move ?

how can they not know the rules?
why was it left for me to sort out?

lucylucky

Brassedoff wrote: »

Steve_sona, are you not referring to a local bye-law? I know in the district council where I was stationed, their leisure centre and town centre car parks were covered under a local bye-law, which I assume is the same used for other authorities? That is why the have the ability to take offenders through the Magistrates rather than county. Councils can apply parking restrictions and limitations by virtue of these and other means would require an act of Parliament, with so many local authorities that would be unworkable. (just my memory of both applied Law and The Road Traffic Act 1991 which transferred the responsibility to local authority control)

Whereas the local ASDA is a civil and CAN be taken through County Court. Now whilst you may beleive you can ignore them, if it is clearly marked that by parking there you agree to the terms and conditions and charges, they get sufficient proof, i.e photo, they could take it all the way to court, just because you break no bye-law by parking on private land, does not mean they cannot charge or pursue you?

Which they tend not to do as their charges (sic) bear no relationship to the loss. As many of these car parks for supermarkets are free there is no loss, so money can be claimed back.

And as blue badges have no legal standing in a private car park it really matters not a jot who parks where.

steve_sona

Thanks Brassedoff for your post,what you say is the route used by many authorities, however in this area any tickets not disputed or paid with in the required period are traced via the DVLA using the VRM ( Vehicle Registration Mark) to obtain the registered keepers details,who is then written to,should there be no response to the letter in any way then the ticket details are sent to the central clearing court,which is a county court,should the case be found against the registered keeper they are then ordered to pay the penalty,if the court order is ignored then bailiffs are instructed to recover payment.since parking decriminalisation in 2004 parking offences are now called contraventions & have become a civil matter,not a criminal matter.

Brassedoff wrote: »

Steve_sona, are you not referring to a local bye-law? I know in the district council where I was stationed, their leisure centre and town centre car parks were covered under a local bye-law, which I assume is the same used for other authorities? That is why the have the ability to take offenders through the Magistrates rather than county. Councils can apply parking restrictions and limitations by virtue of these and other means would require an act of Parliament, with so many local authorities that would be unworkable. (just my memory of both applied Law and The Road Traffic Act 1991 which transferred the responsibility to local authority control)

Whereas the local ASDA is a civil and CAN be taken through County Court. Now whilst you may beleive you can ignore them, if it is clearly marked that by parking there you agree to the terms and conditions and charges, they get sufficient proof, i.e photo, they could take it all the way to court, just because you break no bye-law by parking on private land, does not mean they cannot charge or pursue you?

lucylucky

pwales wrote: »

the leisure center must be local authority owned, so why did they say they cannot enforce it and ask me to speak to the manager to ask them to move ?

how can they not know the rules?
why was it left for me to sort out?

Perhaps the person you spoke to was yet to gain their BTEC in parking management?:D

pwales_2

Brassedoff wrote: »

Steve_sona, are you not referring to a local bye-law? I know in the district council where I was stationed, their leisure centre and town centre car parks were covered under a local bye-law, which I assume is the same used for other authorities? That is why the have the ability to take offenders through the Magistrates rather than county. Councils can apply parking restrictions and limitations by virtue of these and other means would require an act of Parliament, with so many local authorities that would be unworkable. (just my memory of both applied Law and The Road Traffic Act 1991 which transferred the responsibility to local authority control)

Whereas the local ASDA is a civil and CAN be taken through County Court. Now whilst you may beleive you can ignore them, if it is clearly marked that by parking there you agree to the terms and conditions and charges, they get sufficient proof, i.e photo, they could take it all the way to court, just because you break no bye-law by parking on private land, does not mean they cannot charge or pursue you?

brass off thats it!!!!! you jogged my memory they said the bye law had not been passed to make the sighn legal, they went on to say the no ball games signs were the same and where causing them just as much greif!!!!!!!
god thank you for the memory jerk!!!!
so i was right the sign was non enforcable in "this" leisure centre
thank you i must drink less morphine !!!! my memory is shot:beer::beer::beer::beer:

it was somthing to do when it changed from corperation to council way back but it still has not been put right

Brassedoff

pwales wrote: »

brass off thats it!!!!! you jogged my memory they said the bye law had not been passed to make the sighn legal, they went on to say the no ball games signs were the same and where causing them just as much greif!!!!!!!
god thank you for the memory jerk!!!!
so i was right the sign was non enforcable in "this" leisure centre
thank you i must drink less morphine !!!! my memory is shot:beer::beer::beer::beer:

it was somthing to do when it changed from corperation to council way back but it still has not been put right

Hehehe, yes drink less Morphine, I tried but got the shakes. Btw my qualification on this was just several years as a Policeman in Warwickshire rising to a shift Sgt, then training Sgt at the training college at Ryton.

Now I must get back to the student protests that are making me all nostalgic :rotfl:

sunnyone

pwales wrote: »

brass off thats it!!!!! you jogged my memory they said the bye law had not been passed to make the sighn legal, they went on to say the no ball games signs were the same and where causing them just as much greif!!!!!!!
god thank you for the memory jerk!!!!
so i was right the sign was non enforcable in "this" leisure centre
thank you i must drink less morphine !!!! my memory is shot:beer::beer::beer::beer:

it was somthing to do when it changed from corperation to council way back but it still has not been put right

Ah but the morphine makes the pain just about bearable, she checks watch waiting for 3.45 to come round for my her next dose.

Most council signs are unenforceable, when you ask for a BB bay outside your house its not enforceable, its just a bit of paint on the road because it costs a fair few grand to make it legal so they dont bother.