Tenants - are you happy for your personal data to be shared ?

Yorkie1

I have steadily re re-read this whole thread but still cannot find a proper answer to my questions, requoted below for ease of reference.

Re. the apparent inconsistency between the T&Cs - which would have primacy - and a conclusive definition of All Tenants, and when the information would be pruned in accordance with DPA requirements:

Yorkie1 wrote: »

Well, for a start, the one which tells Ts that their records will be kept for 6 years; versus the one which says Ls must upload ALL tenants. Existing tenants? All tenants ever since started letting out? All tenants over the last 6 years? But no obligation to prune after 6 years?

And how to surmount the difficulty of previous tenants not having provided their consent to their data being processed yet it being processed nevertheless - thus in breach of the DPA:

Yorkie1 wrote: »

That's all very well going forward, perhaps, but what about previous tenants? They won't have been asked / provided consent to the sharing of the info. It also breaches the terms of your registration with the site as you are required to post details of ALL your tenants.

Ali / Paul has failed to answer the questions I posed earlier re this requirement.

Furthermore:

I have never given consent for my details to be on the database yet they could be uploaded without my knowledge by a previous LL - how does the site propose to ensure that consent to process my data had been sought and obtained? I would have to pay a not insignificant sum to find this out - repeatedly as my LL could upload the details at any time.

Also, as I now have my own house there is no justifiable DPA reason for me to be on the database. Yet there is no way for the database to know that and therefore cannot comply with the DPA requirements to only hold records for as long as is necessary to comply with the conditions of their registration.

I am not angry, I understand the difficulties which LL wish to protect themselves against. But irrespective of the difficulties which LLs do face from the minority of impossible tenants, the requirement to comply with the DPA in all cases remains.

Those are my concerns with the current operating model for the site.

clutton_2

Yorkie - thank you for bringiing back calm, intelligent, rational arguement... you raise some very valid points.. which i am sure LRS will answer... when they return.. we landlords do have businesses to run as well as posting on forums !

I sincerely hope that LRS will be taking on board some of the suggestions posted on this thread.... ... They, and us landlords, want to get this right....

There has been some interesting discussions amongst many landlords also, off this forum, about the points which tenants have raised here, and landlords are agreed that the DP compliance is as important as tenants feel..

We landlords also need to be sure that we are not in contravention of DP legislation as we are uploading data - so - lets wait and see what LRS and Data people come back with.



Btw jimsmum - criticising each other's spelling/typing is not a very mature way to conduct a rational discussion and adds nothing to the argument.....

tbs624

clutton wrote: »

... you raise some very valid points.. which i am sure XXX will answer... when they return.. we landlords do have businesses to run as well as posting on forums !

Erm, he said he was off to watch Eastenders

I take it from your post then Clutton, that you are acknowledging that Paul is using Alter Egos/Sock Puppets to continue to post on this Board?

dacouch

What_is_the_point wrote: »

I have been reading this thread with astonishment at the way it has become so heated and on looking this morning to read with interest Ali's response to you all I find that there are none of his posts left on the site. Does that mean he has been taken off and if so, where is the democracy in that? How can you have a two sided forum if there is only one side able to speak?

I'm guessing your other alias was deleted as MSE suspect you are connected with LRS. If you are connected with an company you need to have permission from MSE to post. This is to ensure you have permission and that your posts conform to MSE rules.

I know you like FAQs, have a read of MSE's FAQs under "Companies Posting / Info" which explains the rules and how to gain acceptance from MSE to post on behalf of your company. It is relatively easy to gain authorisation from them and you could probably get authorised within 24 hours. http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/site/forum-faqs

By getting registered by MSE you will also not have problems from the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/shopping/2009/12/firms-banned-for-posing-as-happy-customers-on-internet-forums

jimsmum

What_is_the_point wrote: »

It would seem that unless someone agrees wholeheartedly with you then you think they are a sock puppet - I think you need to address yourself and your attitude as it stinks and makes you look very very bigoted and silly - only contribute something if it is worthwhile and not self absorbed rubbish. Thank you.

Dear Paulo/Clinton/what is the point/ petit/muller rice/hula hoop.
It would seem that unless someone agrees wholeheartedly with your website then they are clearly breaking the Law.
I think you need to address yourself and your attitude because it stinks. It makes you look moral-less, dishonest, clueless and damn right ignorant to other peoples personal situations.
Please only contribute something if it's worthwhile and not self absorbed rubbish.
Thank you.

PrincessPlaty

What_is_the_point wrote: »

It would seem that unless someone agrees wholeheartedly with you then you think they are a sock puppet - I think you need to address yourself and your attitude as it stinks and makes you look very very bigoted and silly - only contribute something if it is worthwhile and not self absorbed rubbish. Thank you.

No i think you will find it is because as you were posting on behalf of the company without prior permission being gained from the MSE team.

And yes before you ask it was me that reported you to MSE, and also to other bodies too.

I dont think you need me to tell you why i have reported you again you have been told by myself and others numerous times why it has been done.

So if there is nothing else I am off to report your new AE also.

Have a good day wont you

PrincessPlaty

tbs your inbox is full

clutton_2

i think there is nothing further to say


the bullies won.........

PrincessPlaty

bullies?

how exactly are any of us bullies?

We asked questions regarding our information being made available without our permission. Something which is against the law.

Clutton you may be a landlord and up until this thread i thought quite highly of you, however my opinion has dramatically changed.

Not every tenant is a bad tenant, and if a decent landlord did the correct checks, took deposits, guarantors etc then surely they are protected from having bad tenants? Yes ok this website could avoid that but why when it puts peoples safety at risk?

How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot? A website for tenants to enter details of their landlords good or bad and you were not allowed to see what had been written about you or if anything had been written about you. Would you be so supportive of it then?

Bottom line is MSE has rules. If i was to break those rules I would be ppr'd the same as you would be. It would not have been difficult for anybody from LRS to contact Forum admin and apply for permission to do so before posting they didn't do it. Impersonating themselves as a customer is against the law, but yet they did that too.

So if this company can break MSE rules and break laws should I be happy knowing that they could be holding data about me? Should i trust them? Would i heck!

You see it every day on this board, there are more threads about bad landlords than about bad tenants.

Landlords you want to protect yourself? Get references personal, work and previous landlords, do credit checks, ask for a deposit, require a guarantor. You don't need a website like this you need some common sense!

dacouch

clutton wrote: »

i think there is nothing further to say


the bullies won.........

He is welcome on MSE if he abides by the rules, which in particular to his posts are that as he is associated with LRS he needs to gain MSE permission to post. This protects all parties involved and ensures the integrity of the forum.

It will also avoid his company falling foul of the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations which he seems to think do not apply to the website as it is non profit making. However it is owned by a normal profit making company so (In my opinion) does come under the rules (Perhaps he needs to separate the website from his business)

As a website owner he expects his members to abide by his rules so he should be more than happy to abide by another website owners rules.

As I mentioned before I'm sure everyone on MSE would welcome him back if he did not try and disguise his identity and abided by MSE rules. An good discussion on an MSE forum needs points of views from all viewpoints.

(I would point this matter out to any member on MSE who was a business but was not registered as a business MSE member with MSE)