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100,000 new homes must be built every year for immigrants

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  • Cleaver
    Cleaver Posts: 6,989 Forumite
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    bigjl wrote: »
    The reason I have said it is from experience, you picked up on the word Polish and ignored that rest of the post, and you are correct all the drunks that we are called to on buses late at night aren't Polish, some are Lithuanian, Russian and Latvian.

    So all the drunks you tend to in your area are Polish, Lithuanian, Russian and Latvian? The British youths in your area are all sipping Pinot Grigio and eating tapas on cosmopolitan squares round your way are they? Tutting and complaining about how foreigners are always binge drinking and ruining their evening glasses of wine?

    I used to work in A&E and the people who used to waste time, cause trouble and get drunk were morons. Some were English, some foreign. Their nationality wasn't the reason for them being there though, the fact that they were morons was generally what had brought them there.
    bigjl wrote: »
    Political correctness is the biggest problem with this country, and that is a fact,

    It just has gone mad. Completely mad.
    bigjl wrote: »
    do you remember the advert about benefit fraud on TV, why was every face that I could see white, really, so my next door neighbours that have been getting their mortgage paid for three years are white, they also don't sublet their old flat in Hackney for £800 a month profit either, my mistake.

    Read this paragraph back to yourself and see if you sound as mental to you as you do to me.
  • bigjl
    bigjl Posts: 6,457 Forumite
    I gave an example, a true example, which happens daily, a lot of people in the UK don't know what happens in their own country, they sit in their ivory tower, hoping to have a pop at somebody that doesn't like what they see, and the only argument they can come up for against these more informed viewpoints is try to infer that they are only focussing on race or nationality. How many people do you know of that have died due to inappropriate use of the Ambulance and Police, I know of lots and lots, not forgetting those that didn't die but now have longterm diability due to valuable resouces being squandered by the takers of our society, have you ever seen a war veteren being left to lie in a pool of their own urine and faeces due to no Ambulance being able to attend to them after they fell to the floor, as all these Ambulances where waking up a drunk or some other leech with nothing more than the selfish attitude of I wanted to do this, let the NHS sort it out, it's my right isn't it, after all I once worked for three days, but now can't because I drink too much, and can't work. But it's my right, isn't it.
  • Cleaver
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    bigjl wrote: »
    I gave an example, a true example, which happens daily, a lot of people in the UK don't know what happens in their own country, they sit in their ivory tower, hoping to have a pop at somebody that doesn't like what they see, and the only argument they can come up for against these more informed viewpoints is try to infer that they are only focussing on race or nationality. How many people do you know of that have died due to inappropriate use of the Ambulance and Police, I know of lots and lots,

    There are loads and loads I imagine. Can I ask you a very simple question? Are foreigners more responsible than 'native' British people for wasting ambulance crews time through drunkeness / drugs etc.?
    bigjl wrote: »
    have you ever seen a war veteren being left to lie in a pool of their own urine and faeces due to no Ambulance being able to attend to them after they fell to the floor, as all these Ambulances where waking up a drunk or some other leech with nothing more than the selfish attitude of I wanted to do this, let the NHS sort it out, it's my right isn't it, after all I once worked for three days, but now can't because I drink too much, and can't work. But it's my right, isn't it.

    Are we talking about time wasters in general now? Or all those Russian and Latvian people that are causing our veterans to die in pools of their own urine?
  • bigjl
    bigjl Posts: 6,457 Forumite
    Cleaver wrote: »
    So all the drunks you tend to in your area are Polish, Lithuanian, Russian and Latvian? The British youths in your area are all sipping Pinot Grigio and eating tapas on cosmopolitan squares round your way are they? Tutting and complaining about how foreigners are always binge drinking and ruining their evening glasses of wine?

    I used to work in A&E and the people who used to waste time, cause trouble and get drunk were morons. Some were English, some foreign. Their nationality wasn't the reason for them being there though, the fact that they were morons was generally what had brought them there.



    It just has gone mad. Completely mad.



    Read this paragraph back to yourself and see if you sound as mental to you as you do to me.


    I don't need to read it again, I wrote it, but can you guess what colour my neighbours are, after all the politically correct tv advert shows only white faces when it talks of benefit fraud, this infers that only white people do it, which is a false and missleading as saying only black people do it, but for PC reasons it was obviuosly thought just to show white faces, you seriusely don't see that as PC gone mad, well you better get back to your Liberal fantasy land then, I will continue to live in the real world, not one from the news or internet.

    I hope you are happy in your eutopia.
  • C_Mababejive
    C_Mababejive Posts: 11,668 Forumite
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    Many will displace idigenous residents from social housing whilst many others will rent in the private sector.

    There is a crisis brewing,brought about by circumstance and social engineering.

    Thing about your street.

    Are there private houses up for rent or rented out?

    When you bought your home,did you dream of living in a nice area with like minded people?

    You dont want to live near renters do you?

    But the BTL blight and UK social policy facilitates and indeed requires that private homes are rented out and its really up to the landlord who he rents to.

    It started with terraced streets being blighted.

    Now its semi detached suburbia...and then the detached.

    You see dolehoppers and immigrants can rent anywhere backed by state funds.

    They dont need to work. They can rent that nice house in the nice road and live happily ever after..all paid by the slave workers.
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
  • Cleaver
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    bigjl wrote: »
    I don't need to read it again, I wrote it, but can you guess what colour my neighbours are, after all the politically correct tv advert shows only white faces when it talks of benefit fraud, this infers that only white people do it, which is a false and missleading as saying only black people do it, but for PC reasons it was obviuosly thought just to show white faces, you seriusely don't see that as PC gone mad, well you better get back to your Liberal fantasy land then

    Just to try and make some sense of this rant... you're of the opinion that because an advert about TV license fraud contained white actors, they were actually sending a message that only white people are responsible for this type of fraud?

    If you have read this in to this advert that you may need some form of help.
  • DervProf
    DervProf Posts: 4,035 Forumite
    "100,000 new homes must be built for immigrants" could be what they call a "win-win" situation.

    If the homes don`t get built, and the immigrants still arrive, then that can only increase the value of existing homes.

    If some or all of the homes do get built, that will surely be a welcome boost for the building industry.


    Or is that a lose-win situation ?
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  • chucky
    chucky Posts: 15,170 Forumite
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    edited 15 August 2010 at 6:29PM
    DervProf wrote: »
    "100,000 new homes must be built for immigrants" could be what they call a "win-win" situation.

    If the homes don`t get built, and the immigrants still arrive,then that can only increase the value of existing homes.

    If some or all of the homes do get built, that will surely be a welcome boost for the building industry.


    Or is that a lose-win situation ?
    that all depends on the finanical level of the arriving immigrants - current unskilled immigrants are unlikely to enter the housing market to buy and would probably rent.

    more houses are needed however for these immigrants - building more houses increases the supply and may affect house prices depending on demographics.

    earlier in this thread people had assumed because they were immigrants they would need social housing or living 16 to a flat - that's not right
  • bigjl
    bigjl Posts: 6,457 Forumite
    You really don't read posts properly do you, I am taking about benefit fraud, adverts are normally representative of the population, the days of only white actors on TV are long gone, and rightly so, but the one advert that should show no bias, only has white faces on it, you really can't see the problem with that, incidentaly I would also have a problem if it only had black or asian faces, in which case I think you wouldn't even have mentioned it again, you are trying to infer a racial motive, where their isn't one, a standard New Labour strategy, also common in other do gooder leftie types.

    You are ignorant of the society that we are living in, and how uncontrolled EU and non EU immigration have affected this country, you have ignored the fact that the people that either risked or sacrificed their lives so that you could even exist are affected every day, by having their access to public services limited or delayed.

    As far as the demographic of the drunks that are attended to that would really be dependant on area, but yes in my area the vast majority tend to be EE, this isn't an opinion, it is a statement of fact, something that can't be changed through bias or opinion.

    And I will never apologise to anybody for my opinion that a drunk that can't look after himself through overindulgance should never be prioritised as needed a faster response than a war veteren that has fallen and needs my help.

    This country is on a slippery road, with a population that is increasing every year, council estates that are now muslim ghettos in central london, where even the Police won't go without TSG, black on black knife and gun crime, disfranchisement(spelling?) of the young white working class are all problems affecting the social cohesion of this country, and sticking your head in the sand isn't going to sort it, either is political correctness.

    Is there anything wrong with taking th approach of Australia? You want to come here to claim benefits, no sod off, mate.

    The Polish PM stating that he is putting limits on benefits, why, because he doesn't want Poland to end up like the UK. Why do you think he would say that. Not because he thinks we are doing things right is it.
  • leveller2911
    leveller2911 Posts: 8,061 Forumite
    Cleaver wrote: »
    Why don't you quit then? Your organisation could then maybe employ someone who doesn't have such an issue with people from other countries.



    Just think it was un called for Cleaver......Why should they quit?

    They just gave an opinion on a subject they had personal experience of..They obviously care about the country, see what is happening to society and post their observations.......so why should they quit ? should everyone who has similar experiences quit theyre jobs too.......

    Just gives the impression you would prefer us all to go away, keep quiet and not rock the boat......;)
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